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Fra : Armand


Dato : 06-12-08 12:24

I anledning af første advents-weekend indenfor kalender-tiden: en dobbelt:

- Det er MZ der opfandt ekpansions-kamre til totakts-udstødninger!

- Suzuki var blot anonym deltager i RR-verdensmesterskaberne indtil 1962
hvor de blev verdensmestre, efter at MZ's fabriks-kører Ernst Degner
"hoppede af" og tog al sin viden om MZ's teknologi med sig!

 
 
Thomas Jensen (07-12-2008)
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Fra : Thomas Jensen


Dato : 07-12-08 14:08


> - Det er MZ der opfandt ekpansions-kamre til totakts-udstødninger!
>
> - Suzuki var blot anonym deltager i RR-verdensmesterskaberne indtil 1962
> hvor de blev verdensmestre, efter at MZ's fabriks-kører Ernst Degner
> "hoppede af" og tog al sin viden om MZ's teknologi med sig!

jeg hørte på et tidspunkt, at han "forsvandt" under et løb, han kom aldrig i
mål, og derefter kom der gang i Suzukis mesterskaber

--
mvh

Thomas Jensen
Kawasaki ZRX1200S
http://dfmc.dk/?id=11



Ukendt (07-12-2008)
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Fra : Ukendt


Dato : 07-12-08 17:48

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 14:08:15 +0100, Thomas Jensen wrote:

> jeg hørte på et tidspunkt, at han "forsvandt" under et løb, han kom aldrig i
> mål, og derefter kom der gang i Suzukis mesterskaber

Ernst Degner kørte den stakkels MZ fuldkomment vanvittigt, så den helt
naturligt døde. Det var i Sverige. Han forsvandt fra løbet med MZ's
reservedele, som han bragte til Suzuki. Suzuki hjalp siden Walter Kaaden,
(udvikler af MZ motorerne), med specialværktøj ved et løb hvor MZ's værktøj
ikke nåede frem. Værktøjet passede perfekt, for det var jo en eksakt kopi.

--
mvh
Orla Pedersen
http://home20.inet.tele.dk/tfv/mc
http://home20.inet.tele.dk/tfv/general/clearout oprydning, opdateret
2-11-08

Thomas Jensen (07-12-2008)
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Fra : Thomas Jensen


Dato : 07-12-08 18:26


> Ernst Degner kørte den stakkels MZ fuldkomment vanvittigt, så den helt
> naturligt døde. Det var i Sverige. Han forsvandt fra løbet med MZ's
> reservedele, som han bragte til Suzuki. Suzuki hjalp siden Walter Kaaden,
> (udvikler af MZ motorerne), med specialværktøj ved et løb hvor MZ's
> værktøj
> ikke nåede frem. Værktøjet passede perfekt, for det var jo en eksakt kopi.
>
> --
Tak for opdateringen

--
mvh

Thomas Jensen
Kawasaki ZRX1200S
http://dfmc.dk/?id=11



Ukendt (07-12-2008)
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Fra : Ukendt


Dato : 07-12-08 19:08

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:25:58 +0100, Thomas Jensen wrote:

> Tak for opdateringen

Lidt historie fra "The Classic Bike" i et interview med Kaaden:

During 1961 Degner¡¦s star continued to rise. First places at Hockenheim,
Sachsenring and Monza, backed up by seconds at Montjuich, Clermont Ferrand
and the Ulster, left him two points clear of Tom Phillis in the 125
championship with two races to go. The first of these was at Kristianstad
in Sweden.

"Right from the first flag-fall Degner was in business," reported The Motor
Cycle. "He was leaving them all behind within a mile. His screeching MZ had
never sounded better. ... Then suddenly the MZ scream died. With only about
10 miles covered the internals had had enough and Degner was pushing in."
In fact it was Degner who had had enough, not his engine. After
deliberately over-revving his engine, Degner dumped his MZ and hopped into
a waiting car. With his wife and family already safely out of East Germany,
he was about to defect. Degner had no mount for the last round in
Argentina, despite deciding to race a 125cc EMC there. The championship
went to Tom Phillis and Honda.
"Degner will be back in the saddle in 1962 ¡V never fear," said The Motor
Cycle in October 1961. He was ¡V riding a Suzuki revitalized to such an
unrecognizable extent that the Japanese factory was able to claim the 125
world championship in 1963. Degner had taken his riding skill, his
mechanical knowledge, and a carrier bag crammed with parts to Japan.
Kaaden¡¦s humiliation could not have been more complete. In one stroke he
had lost his best East German rider, and with him the 125 world
championship. The technical superiority gained over a decade of hard graft
had been handed to the opposition on a plate.
Suzuki¡¦s copy of the MZ was exact. A few years later, Kaaden accompanied
Mike Hailwood to Suzuka, only to find that his toolbox had been mislaid in
transit. Suzuki were kind enough to lend him some of theirs. All were an
exact fit on the MZ right down to the special tools for the rotary valve
and ignition timing.

--
mvh
Orla Pedersen
http://home20.inet.tele.dk/tfv/mc
http://home20.inet.tele.dk/tfv/general/clearout oprydning, opdateret
2-11-08

Jesper Hedegaard (07-12-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Jesper Hedegaard


Dato : 07-12-08 19:36



"Orla Pedersen" <o.pedersen.torsted[hos]post.tele.dk.invalid> skrev i en
meddelelse news:1ujp0mchx6zyd$.1bxvsdn9gxmew.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:25:58 +0100, Thomas Jensen wrote:
>
>> Tak for opdateringen
>
> Lidt historie fra "The Classic Bike" i et interview med Kaaden:
>
> During 1961 Degner¡¦s star continued to rise. First places at Hockenheim,
> Sachsenring and Monza, backed up by seconds at Montjuich, Clermont Ferrand
> and the Ulster, left him two points clear of Tom Phillis in the 125
> championship with two races to go. The first of these was at Kristianstad
> in Sweden.
>
> "Right from the first flag-fall Degner was in business," reported The
> Motor
> Cycle. "He was leaving them all behind within a mile. His screeching MZ
> had
> never sounded better. ... Then suddenly the MZ scream died. With only
> about
> 10 miles covered the internals had had enough and Degner was pushing in."
> In fact it was Degner who had had enough, not his engine. After
> deliberately over-revving his engine, Degner dumped his MZ and hopped into
> a waiting car. With his wife and family already safely out of East
> Germany,
> he was about to defect. Degner had no mount for the last round in
> Argentina, despite deciding to race a 125cc EMC there. The championship
> went to Tom Phillis and Honda.
> "Degner will be back in the saddle in 1962 ¡V never fear," said The Motor
> Cycle in October 1961. He was ¡V riding a Suzuki revitalized to such an
> unrecognizable extent that the Japanese factory was able to claim the 125
> world championship in 1963. Degner had taken his riding skill, his
> mechanical knowledge, and a carrier bag crammed with parts to Japan.
> Kaaden¡¦s humiliation could not have been more complete. In one stroke he
> had lost his best East German rider, and with him the 125 world
> championship. The technical superiority gained over a decade of hard graft
> had been handed to the opposition on a plate.
> Suzuki¡¦s copy of the MZ was exact. A few years later, Kaaden accompanied
> Mike Hailwood to Suzuka, only to find that his toolbox had been mislaid in
> transit. Suzuki were kind enough to lend him some of theirs. All were an
> exact fit on the MZ right down to the special tools for the rotary valve
> and ignition timing.
>
> --
> mvh
> Orla Pedersen
> http://home20.inet.tele.dk/tfv/mc
> http://home20.inet.tele.dk/tfv/general/clearout oprydning, opdateret
> 2-11-08

Fedt - kold krig og "varm" 2-takter - hvad kan vi ellers vente os i denne
herlige kalender ?
Jeg glader mig i denne tid

--
------------------------------------
Jesper Hedegaard
BMW F650ST nar vejret spiller
Suzuki Jimny nar det spilder



Armand (08-12-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Armand


Dato : 08-12-08 00:16

Jesper Hedegaard skrev:
> "Orla Pedersen" <o.pedersen.torsted[hos]post.tele.dk.invalid> skrev i en
> meddelelse news:1ujp0mchx6zyd$.1bxvsdn9gxmew.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>> Lidt historie fra "The Classic Bike" i et interview med Kaaden:
>
> Fedt - kold krig og "varm" 2-takter - hvad kan vi ellers vente os i denne
> herlige kalender ?
>

For mig er det ligeså fedt at jeg også får supleret med input og
forklaringer, så trivia-kalenderen er for alvor blevet "noget for noget"


--
Armand.

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