---

Allerkærest sejler! JEG ville gerne hen til kende hvad udstyr er
krævede nemlig hemmelig og befragte yachts i Danmark. Kunne jer pege
mig hen til noget web ressourcer? JEG ville gerne kende omkring
lifejackets liferafts , blive rød i kammen og lignende. Undskyld
nemlig den sprog , men Jeg er benytter automatisk oversætter.

--- Orignal message ---

Dear sailors!

I would like to know what equipment is required for private and
charter yachts in Denmark. Can you point me to some web resources ?
I want to know about lifejackets, liferafts, flares etc.
I'm sorry for the language, but I'm using automatic translator.

best regards
Jarek Tabor, Poland

---

Hello Jarek,

I think it is OK for a foreigner to adress this newsgroup in English ...
A lot of the contributors in this group are able to read and somehow
write some understandable English. I hope mine is ... ...

I'm not sure I understand fully, but I suppose in the following, that
you are interested in renting af leisure boat in Denmark - right?

If you rent a boat in Denmark, you must have en certificate, documenting
that you know how to sail, the rules etc. If ypu rent a boat through a
professional company, the boat will normally be fully equipped - that is
all safety equipment should be on board.

You need to bring your own clothes and footwear all the way from top to
bottom from outside to inside ... Normally you will buy food in the
harbour of departure, but you can also bring some of your own Polish
specialties if you like ... After all, we are both member of the EU ...
A credit card is a good help in stead of cash ... unfortunately the €
(Euro) is not accepted in all shops in Denmark ...

For your info, I have just identified a few links ... I'm not in the
business, and I don't know the companies. Hope you can translate the
Danish text into an understandable language ... some og the pages do
have an English or German flag ... you may want to use that instead ...

Good Luck ... and welcome to Danish waters ...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

http://www.dancharter.dk/

http://www.scancharter.dk/

http://www.yacht-charter.dk/

http://www.kobenhavn.city-map.dk/city/db/417501010003/1/184/B%C3%A5dudlejninger.html

http://www.aarhus.city-map.dk/city/db/411601010003/1/1326/Yachtcharter.html

http://www.solong.de/web/solong/dk/rubrik6_id23.html



<jarek@poczta.srv.pl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1172917427.843805.143710@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
Allerkærest sejler! JEG ville gerne hen til kende hvad udstyr er
krævede nemlig hemmelig og befragte yachts i Danmark. Kunne jer pege
mig hen til noget web ressourcer? JEG ville gerne kende omkring
lifejackets liferafts , blive rød i kammen og lignende. Undskyld
nemlig den sprog , men Jeg er benytter automatisk oversætter.

--- Orignal message ---

Dear sailors!

I would like to know what equipment is required for private and
charter yachts in Denmark. Can you point me to some web resources ?
I want to know about lifejackets, liferafts, flares etc.
I'm sorry for the language, but I'm using automatic translator.

best regards
Jarek Tabor, Poland

---

"Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> skrev i en meddelelse
news:45e95309$0$823$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
> Hello Jarek,
> For your info, I have just identified a few links ... I'm not in the
> business, and I don't know the companies. Hope you can translate the
> Danish text into an understandable language ... some og the pages do have
> an English or German flag ... you may want to use that instead ...
>
> Good Luck ... and welcome to Danish waters ...
>
> --
> Flemming Torp
> Gimle/DEN-61
>
> http://www.dancharter.dk/
>
> http://www.scancharter.dk/
>
> http://www.yacht-charter.dk/
>
> http://www.kobenhavn.city-map.dk/city/db/417501010003/1/184/B%C3%A5dudlejninger.html
>
> http://www.aarhus.city-map.dk/city/db/411601010003/1/1326/Yachtcharter.html
>
> http://www.solong.de/web/solong/dk/rubrik6_id23.html
>

og

www.maxi77.com

---

Hello Fleming!

> I'm not sure I understand fully, but I suppose in the following, that
> you are interested in renting af leisure boat in Denmark - right?

Thank you for the answer! Last time Maritime Authority in Poland has
prepared new requirements for obligatory equimpment on yachts. This
includes: heavy professional SOLAS type liferafts, radars, EPIRBs and
many more very expensive equipment. They want to require this
equipment on every - even small - pleasure yacht.
As we know there are no such requirements in other countries, so we
are collecting requirements from other countries to convince our
government to cancel this. It is really stupid to require approved
radars on 7.5m pleasure boats.
If you know what equipment is required by law on yachts in Denmark on
pleasure and charter yachts, please let me know.

Thank you in advance
Jarek

---

Hello Jarek,

Sorry, I did answer the wrong question ...
I'm just a sailor sailing in my own boat ... I do not know the details
of the requirements for a boat that is used in yacht charter ...

But I'm pretty sure, that someone in this group is knowledable about
this subject and the requirements ind Denmark.

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

<jarek@poczta.srv.pl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1172922700.542339.225170@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Hello Fleming!
>
>> I'm not sure I understand fully, but I suppose in the following, that
>> you are interested in renting af leisure boat in Denmark - right?
>
> Thank you for the answer! Last time Maritime Authority in Poland has
> prepared new requirements for obligatory equimpment on yachts. This
> includes: heavy professional SOLAS type liferafts, radars, EPIRBs and
> many more very expensive equipment. They want to require this
> equipment on every - even small - pleasure yacht.
> As we know there are no such requirements in other countries, so we
> are collecting requirements from other countries to convince our
> government to cancel this. It is really stupid to require approved
> radars on 7.5m pleasure boats.
> If you know what equipment is required by law on yachts in Denmark on
> pleasure and charter yachts, please let me know.
>
> Thank you in advance
> Jarek
>

---

<jarek@poczta.srv.pl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1172922700.542339.225170@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Hello Fleming!
>
>> I'm not sure I understand fully, but I suppose in the following, that
>> you are interested in renting af leisure boat in Denmark - right?
>
> Thank you for the answer! Last time Maritime Authority in Poland has
> prepared new requirements for obligatory equimpment on yachts. This
> includes: heavy professional SOLAS type liferafts, radars, EPIRBs and
> many more very expensive equipment. They want to require this
> equipment on every - even small - pleasure yacht.
> As we know there are no such requirements in other countries, so we
> are collecting requirements from other countries to convince our
> government to cancel this. It is really stupid to require approved
> radars on 7.5m pleasure boats.
> If you know what equipment is required by law on yachts in Denmark on
> pleasure and charter yachts, please let me know.
>
> Thank you in advance
> Jarek

You can find it in danish on this site -
http://www.dancharter.dk/Bibliotek.htm

regards
www.scanboat.com -
www.maxi77.com
www.sailorslink.com

---

<
Hello Jarek

I'm not sure we understand your question correct, but is the problem that
the Polish authorities are planning these extreme demands on safety
equipment FOR EVERY BOAT - not only for boats used as charterboats???

Best regards

John

---

jarek@poczta.srv.pl wrote:
> Allerkærest sejler! JEG ville gerne hen til kende hvad udstyr er
> krævede nemlig hemmelig og befragte yachts i Danmark. Kunne jer pege
> mig hen til noget web ressourcer? JEG ville gerne kende omkring
> lifejackets liferafts , blive rød i kammen og lignende. Undskyld
> nemlig den sprog , men Jeg er benytter automatisk oversætter.
>
> --- Orignal message ---
>
> Dear sailors!
>
> I would like to know what equipment is required for private and
> charter yachts in Denmark. Can you point me to some web resources ?
> I want to know about lifejackets, liferafts, flares etc.
> I'm sorry for the language, but I'm using automatic translator.
>
> best regards
> Jarek Tabor, Poland


Maybe you will find some of the information you are looking for on this
site - Danish Maritime Authority:

http://www.dma.dk/sw200.asp

Best regards
Torben
--
Husk at hvis du vågner, så er det den første
dag i resten af dit liv ELLER: Lev livet i dag,
for du ved ikke, om du har det i morgen!

---

Ak, ja Torben, jeg så ikke du allerede havde givet dette relevante link
....jeg er vist lidt træt ...

Er det iøvrigt ikke en pragtfuld translatør vores ven har betjent sig af
.... man får næsten røde ører ... ...

--
Flemming Torp
'kun en tåbe frygter ikke haven'

"TOSB" <tsbach@fjernnyka.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:c8177$45e96ef4$5293edcc$15497@news.arrownet.dk...
> jarek@poczta.srv.pl wrote:
>> Allerkærest sejler! JEG ville gerne hen til kende hvad udstyr er
>> krævede nemlig hemmelig og befragte yachts i Danmark. Kunne jer pege
>> mig hen til noget web ressourcer? JEG ville gerne kende omkring
>> lifejackets liferafts , blive rød i kammen og lignende. Undskyld
>> nemlig den sprog , men Jeg er benytter automatisk oversætter.
>>
>> --- Orignal message ---
>>
>> Dear sailors!
>>
>> I would like to know what equipment is required for private and
>> charter yachts in Denmark. Can you point me to some web resources ?
>> I want to know about lifejackets, liferafts, flares etc.
>> I'm sorry for the language, but I'm using automatic translator.
>>
>> best regards
>> Jarek Tabor, Poland
>
>
> Maybe you will find some of the information you are looking for on
> this site - Danish Maritime Authority:
>
> http://www.dma.dk/sw200.asp
>
> Best regards
> Torben
> --
> Husk at hvis du vågner, så er det den første
> dag i resten af dit liv ELLER: Lev livet i dag,
> for du ved ikke, om du har det i morgen!
>
>
>
>

---

On 3 Mar, 20:39, "john" <john_lundsga...@familie.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
> <
> Hello Jarek
>
> I'm not sure we understand your question correct, but is the problem that
> the Polish authorities are planning these extreme demands on safety
> equipment FOR EVERY BOAT - not only for boats used as charterboats???

Yes. And they don't want to accept regular lifesaving equipment, but
only MED/SOLAS approved.

Jarek

---

Hej Jarek,

Here is another link stating some regulations about leisure boats - in
English:
http://soefart.inforce.dk/graphics/Synkron-Library/DMA/UK_PDF/RC_PDF/Skibstyper/TF-om-fritidsfartoejer.pdf

about 25 pages ...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

<jarek@poczta.srv.pl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1172965240.849268.83020@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Mar, 20:39, "john" <john_lundsga...@familie.tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>> <
>> Hello Jarek
>>
>> I'm not sure we understand your question correct, but is the problem
>> that
>> the Polish authorities are planning these extreme demands on safety
>> equipment FOR EVERY BOAT - not only for boats used as charterboats???
>
> Yes. And they don't want to accept regular lifesaving equipment, but
> only MED/SOLAS approved.
>
> Jarek
>
>

---

"Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> wrote in message
news:45ea251a$0$823$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
> Hej Jarek,
>
> Here is another link stating some regulations about leisure boats - in
> English:
> http://soefart.inforce.dk/graphics/Synkron-Library/DMA/UK_PDF/RC_PDF/Skibstyper/TF-om-fritidsfartoejer.pdf
>
> about 25 pages ...
>
Hej Flemming.

Jeg synes du skyder langt over målet. Dette dokument beskriver hvilke
produktions- og mærkningstekniske krav en bådproducent skal opfylde for at
kunne markedsføre en ny båd i Danmark anno 2007. Det er jo slet ikke det der
bliver spurgt om. Jarek vil bare have beskrevet hvilke krav der er til
udstyr i private og udlejede yachts i Danmark, og der er kravene jo
betydeligt lempeligere end det Jarek beskriver myndighederne i Polen er på
vej til at indføre. Om han så har forstået forslaget korrekt skal jeg lade
være usagt, men det er jo set før at embedsmænd og politikere glemmer at der
også findes amatører inden for de brancher de lovgiver om. Det kunne fx.
have været tilfældet, at licenserede radiomamatører i Danmark skulle have CE
godkendt deres hjemmebyggede udstyr før det måtte bruges, hvis ikke der i
tide var blevet gjort indsigelser mod den lovgivning.

/Claus

---

"claus b. p." <cbp33@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:45ec9903$0$46970$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk...
>
> "Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> wrote in message
> news:45ea251a$0$823$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
>> Hej Jarek,
>>
>> Here is another link stating some regulations about leisure boats -
>> in English:
>> http://soefart.inforce.dk/graphics/Synkron-Library/DMA/UK_PDF/RC_PDF/Skibstyper/TF-om-fritidsfartoejer.pdf
>>
>> about 25 pages ...
>>
> Hej Flemming.
>
> Jeg synes du skyder langt over målet. Dette dokument beskriver hvilke
> produktions- og mærkningstekniske krav en bådproducent skal opfylde
> for at kunne markedsføre en ny båd i Danmark anno 2007. Det er jo slet
> ikke det der bliver spurgt om. Jarek vil bare have beskrevet hvilke
> krav der er til udstyr i private og udlejede yachts i Danmark, og der
> er kravene jo betydeligt lempeligere end det Jarek beskriver
> myndighederne i Polen er på vej til at indføre. Om han så har forstået
> forslaget korrekt skal jeg lade være usagt, men det er jo set før at
> embedsmænd og politikere glemmer at der også findes amatører inden for
> de brancher de lovgiver om. Det kunne fx. have været tilfældet, at
> licenserede radiomamatører i Danmark skulle have CE godkendt deres
> hjemmebyggede udstyr før det måtte bruges, hvis ikke der i tide var
> blevet gjort indsigelser mod den lovgivning.
>
> /Claus
Hej Claus,

Det er da meget muligt. Jeg er nemlig ikke helt sikker på hvad
spørgsmålet helt præcist bunder i ... og jeg har svaret helt ved siden
af én gang i denne tråd ... men hellere ramme ved siden af ...

Men jeg vil dog alligevel forsvare henvisningen med
1: Den er på Engelsk,
2: Den omhandler krav, som man må formode vil gælde i EU (og det kan han
vel have glæde af at kende?),
3: Den omhandler emner som CE-mærkning (som ikke bare gælder nye både,
som det siges ovenfor, men også både, der importeres fra et
ikke-EU-land) og typegodkendelse, der står noget om bådkategorier
(hvilke krav der gælder for hvilke farvande man vil sejle i, maksimal
load, maksimalt antal personer om bord, krav om: Plads til
redningsveste, nødudgang (hvis båden er over 12 m (!)), gasinstallation,
brandslukningsudstyr, navigationslys, holdingtank ...

Så jeg mener artiklen giver Jarek et læseligt fingerpeg om, hvilke krav
et fritidsfartøj ifølge EU-reglerne skal overholde ... Det er rigtigt,
at artiklens sidste del primært henvender sig til producenterne ...

Men hvad ville iøvrigt dit forslag til et svar til Jarek være?

--
Flemming Torp
'kun en tåbe frygter ikke haven'

---

"Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> wrote in message
news:45eca788$0$827$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
>
>
> Men hvad ville iøvrigt dit forslag til et svar til Jarek være?
>
Jeg har forstået hans spørgsmål ud fra hans oplysninger om at myndighederne
i Polen ønsker at indføre nogle krav til udstyret på _alle_ lyst- og
udlejningsbåde. Bl.a. krav om godkendt radar og godkendt redningsflåde mm,
altså samme krav til lystbåde som gælder for professionel skibsfart, hvilket
naturligvis vil blive absurd dyrt. Når han skriver alle både, læser jeg at
det også gælder gamle både, men derfor er det naturligvis ikke helt
irrelevant at nævne kravene til nye både, jeg tror bare ikke helt det er så
detaljeret han har brug for. Kravene i Danmark er, som jeg skriver et andet
sted i tråden, meget lempelige, og er som oftest opfyldt hvis båden ved
første ibrugtagning opfyldte kravene, selv om kravene siden er strammet. Der
er fx. ikke krav om holdingtank i ældre både, heller ikke CE mærke. Jeg vil
tro at selv importerede både fra uden for EU kan slippe ind uden CE mærke,
hvis der er tale om brugte både, som ville opfylde kravene på
byggetidspunktet, inden for EU er det da ikke noget problem. Udover at
reglerne er lempelige er det også mit indtryk at man ikke fra myndighedernes
side gør meget ud af at kontrollere både. Heldigvis er der da så meget
fornuft og god sømandskab i de fleste sejlere til at det er nødvendigt at
gøre et stort nummer ud af det. Vi fik jo først kravet om speedbådskørekort
efter nogle episoder, hvor nogle knuder beviste, at ikke alle ser lige
fornuftigt på tingene. (Og fremkomsten af jetski, eller hvad de hedder.) Men
derfor kan vi selvfølgelig heller ikke vide hvad der dukker op af krav i
fremtiden, blot konstatere at man stadig uden bevis eller hoved kan stille
sig op og styre en 14,95m motorbåd med over 200hk og intet andet udstyr end
et stk. redningsvest uden at overtræde loven. Og det er egentlig hvad han
spørger om. Men det kan da være han kommer tilbage og specificerer
spørgsmålene lidt mere. Og så er det da iøvrigt også rarere at få for mange
informationer som svar på et spørgsmål, end slet ikke at få svar.

/Claus

---

On 3 Mar, 14:00, "Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> wrote:
> Hello Jarek,
>
> Sorry, I did answer the wrong question ...
> I'm just a sailor sailing in my own boat ... I do not know the details
> of the requirements for a boat that is used in yacht charter ...

Are there any requirements for private boats in Denmark ?

Jarek

---

Hello Jarek,

Geee, this is a BIG question, that I'm not able to answer ... I can give
some examples instead:

Here is a link (the text is in English) that gives a very detailed
information (116 pages):

RECREATIONAL CRAFT DIRECTIVE AND
COMMENTS TO THE DIRECTIVE COMBINED

A guide to the application of Directive 94/25/EC of 16 June 1994

on the approximation of the laws, regulations and administrative
provisions

of the Member States relating to recreational craft

Second edition - November 2003


http://www.sofartsstyrelsen.dk/graphics/Synkron-Library/Sofartsstyrelsen/til_download/ccpaper_2nd_edition_en_nov_03.pdf

From my head, the following rules - and many more, I have not mentioned
here ... apply for any leisure boat:

Every leisure boat must have a CE certificate.

The "captain" must know the rules and laws governing the trafic at sea,
the safety of the crew and the installations at the boat.

There must at least be one life jacket for each person on board.

Valid seamaps must be on board.

The lights must be legal and adhere some rules as to the distance from
which they can be seen ...
a function of the size of the boat ...

There are a lot of rules and constraints concerning electric and gas
installation in a leisure boat.

If you have a fast "speed boat", you must have a specific certificate.

The skipper must not have a promille, that make him unable to control a
ship in a secure way ... In commercial ships a large leisure boats and
speed boats the limit is 0,5 promille ...

If the boat is above a certain limit (15 meters, I think), there are
more strict rules and requirements ... I don't know all the details ...
but I know, that the skipper must have a certificate, documenting, that
he knows the rules and can pass a practical test, where he is tested in
different situations ... I don't know what this certificate is called in
English ... It's a kind of drivers license ... on the sea ... If the
boat is longer than 24 meters new requirements must be fulfilled ...

Boats built after a certain date must have a holding tank ... I don't
remember the details ...

There are certain regulations concerning the limits of noise from the
boats engine ...

There are strict rules as to what kind of bottom paint, you can use
(environmental issue)

And if you rent out your boat, there are quite strict rules too ... the
boat must be approved by the Danish authority called Søfartsstyrelsen
take a look at http://www.dma.dk/sw164.asp - that is a collection of a
lot of rules concerning boats of different sizes (commercial and
leisure) - and it is in English ... especially rules about safety
equipment, installations etc. issued by the Danish Maritime Authority
....

Well Jarek, I'm not at all an expert on all this ... I have just given
some examples out of my head on some of the rules governing our life at
sea in a leisure boat ... My best "tip" for you, is to go through the
www.dms.dk homepage and surf around, as most af the material is in
English ...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

<jarek@poczta.srv.pl> skrev i en meddelelse
news:1172965362.316363.150410@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Mar, 14:00, "Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> wrote:
>> Hello Jarek,
>>
>> Sorry, I did answer the wrong question ...
>> I'm just a sailor sailing in my own boat ... I do not know the
>> details
>> of the requirements for a boat that is used in yacht charter ...
>
> Are there any requirements for private boats in Denmark ?
>
> Jarek
>

---

"Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> skrev i en meddelelse
news:45ea2463$0$873$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
> Hello Jarek,
>
> Geee, this is a BIG question, that I'm not able to answer ... I can
> give some examples instead:
>

SNIP

> Well Jarek, I'm not at all an expert on all this ... I have just given
> some examples out of my head on some of the rules governing our life
> at sea in a leisure boat ... My best "tip" for you, is to go through
> the www.dms.dk homepage and surf around, as most af the material is in
> English ...
>
*Correction*:

Sorry - Sorry ... the correct link is www.dma.dk ... the other is for
doctors ... ...


> --
> Flemming Torp
> Gimle/DEN-61
>
> <jarek@poczta.srv.pl> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:1172965362.316363.150410@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Mar, 14:00, "Flemming Torp" <fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark> wrote:
>>> Hello Jarek,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I did answer the wrong question ...
>>> I'm just a sailor sailing in my own boat ... I do not know the
>>> details
>>> of the requirements for a boat that is used in yacht charter ...
>>
>> Are there any requirements for private boats in Denmark ?
>>
>> Jarek
>>
>

---

<jarek@poczta.srv.pl> wrote in message
news:1172917427.843805.143710@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
--- Orignal message ---
I would like to know what equipment is required for private and
charter yachts in Denmark. Can you point me to some web resources ?

Hello Jarek.
I see some people already have provided You with a lot of information, but
in Your situation it is also relevant to point out, that authorities in
Denmark are very liberal on rules for small leisure boats. There is
absolutely no requirement by law to get any education for sailing any sail-
or motoryacht less than 15 meters in length, except if the motor is capable
of getting the motorboat planing. Also there is no requirement for
electronic equipment of any kind. The only requirement is one lifejacket for
each person.
Besides that, You are supposed to act reasonable, and carry equipment that
can assist and aid, (lamps, anchors, oars etc.) but this is not specified,
You are supposed to use You own good judgement. The reason for this is that
You don't have the same needs when fishing in a river, as when You go across
the Atlantic Ocean.
For Charter or commercial-use yachts (less than 15 meters) You need at
least: approved lifejackets for all persons, anchors, towing-rope, oars,
horn- or whistle, waterproof light, some equipment to empty the boat of
water, lanterns, rescuebelt with line and lightreflecting materials,
fireextinguisher, and - if You go out of swallow and known waters: seamaps
and some flares and/or rockets. Also You are supposed to use You own good
judgement in whatever equipment could be of use, like compass, VHF-radio,
emergency kit, tools, extra fuel, sea maps etc. But thats about all.
Somebody mentioned that the boat must be CE-marked. This is only true for
new boats. But it is also reasonable to mention, that You could in theory be
punished for not carrying not mentioned equipment, if this is considered
necessary by good seamanship. At least You could be billed for a rescue
action, if You do not follow good practice.
Also there are more detailed rules for approving some of the equipment, like
lanterns, fireextinguisers, gas- and electric installations, but even though
yearly inspections is considered good practice on fx. inflatable liferafts,
it is not enforced by law on non-commercial boats, and You are not required
to carry one. Again it is left to Your own judgement.
For yachts above 15 meters rules are different, and some education and exams
are needed.
Hope this was of use for You.

/Claus