"Rado" <rado@fjernpost1.tele.dk> skrev i meddelelsen
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> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 00:35:29 +0200, Michael Zedeler
> <michael@zedeler.dk> wrote:
>
>>Rado wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:06:04 +0200, "Poul Nielsen" <pn@gi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article108683.ece
>>>>
>>>> 8-årig autistisk dreng død efter en uddrivelses-seance med
>>>> healerpræst
>>>
>>> Og medicinsk behandling er den 3. største dødsårsag i USA,
>>> ifølge
>>> Journal of the American Medical Association:
>>>
>>> ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:
>>>
>>> 12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
>>> 7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
>>> 20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
>>> 80,000 -- infections in hospitals
>>> 106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs
>>
>>Hehe. Den er meget god.
>
> Min pointe var primært at når en person der er under alternativ
> behandling lemlæstes eller dør på grund af behandlingen
> (hvilket
> faktisk sker temmelig sjældent, og kun med tvivlsomme metoder),
> så er
> det på forsiden af alle medierne, mens vi ikke hører ret meget
> om de
> mange der dør eller lemlæstes af lægebehandling.
>
>>Skal vi ikke lige tage tallene een gang til, denne gang
>>korrigeret for
>>hvor stor andel af befolkningen der bruger konventionel medicin
>>hhv.
>>alternativ medicin? Husk også at sammenligne de samme sygdomme
>>og tage
>>højde for folk der i et sygdomsforløb skifter imellem
>>alternativ og
>>konventionel medicin, imens du er igang.
>
> Det får du ikke noget ud af alligevel med hensyn til at forstå
> hvordan
> tingene i virkeligheden hænger sammen. Hvis vi virkelig skal
> analysere
> hele det område og have factsene på bordet her så ender vi et
> helt
> andet sted. Nemlig der at det i realiteten er ligegyldigt
> hvilken
> behandlingsform du vælger, sålænge du tror tilstrækkeligt på
> behandlingen effektivitet.
>
> At jeg alligevel er fortaler for visse former for alternativ
> medicin
> fremfor den etablerede skyldes flere ting:
>
> 1. de har ingen negative virkninger eller bivirkninger - i
> værste fald
> virker de bare ikke (hvilket primært skyldes individuelle
> psykologiske
> faktorer eller uvidenhed).
>
> 2. man skærer ikke i kroppen eller fjerner vigtige dele af den
> eller
> fylder den med giftige kemikalier eller dødelige stråler. De
> medfører
> intet ubehag fysisk eller psykisk.
>
> 3. de handler generelt om arbejde med naturen i stedet for mod
> den, og
> stimulere kroppen til at helbrede sig selv, hvilket den sagtens
> kan
> næsten uanset hvad den fejler (sundhed er kroppens normale
> tilstand)
> hvis bare man anvender den rigtige strategi og patienten på det
> psykologiske plan "tillader" sig selv at blive rask, og tror på
> det er
> muligt. De sidste to ting er faktisk det allerstørste problem i
> den
> her form for behandling.
>
> 4. de er baseret på en virkelig og tilbundsgående forståelse at
> sammenhængen mellem krop og psyke hvilket netop er det der gør
> dem så
> effektive, når man ellers forstår at udnytte dem rigtigt.
>
> På alle 4 punkter er de behandlingsformer jeg er fortaler for
> lægevidenskaben overlegne.
>
> Der er iøvrigt særdeles solid evidens for at en af de vigtigste
> faktorer i al helbredelse er troen på at den behandling man
> modtager
> virker. Det gælder både konventionel og alternativ behandling.
> Dette
> understreges af at de former for alternativ behandling der
> udelukkende
> er baseret på tro eller psykologiske metoder som regel også er
> de der
> medfører de mest radikale og varige helbredelser, primært fordi
> man
> her har den indsigt der gør det muligt at udnytte kroppens
> selvhelbredende kræfter optimalt. Placeboeffekten er kun toppen
> af
> isbjerget, en svag indikation af de muligheder der er på det
> her
> område.
>
> Her er et eksempel:
>
> "Tumors That Melt Like Snowballs on a Hot Stove
>
> Understanding the role such factors play in a placebo's
> effectiveness
> is important, for it shows how our ability to control the body
> holographic is molded by our beliefs. Our minds have the power
> to get
> rid of warts, to clear our bronchial tubes, and to mimic the
> painkilling ability of morphine, but because we are unaware
> that we
> possess the power, we must be fooled into using it. This might
> almost
> be comic if it were not for the tragedies that often result
> from our
> ignorance of our own power.
>
> No incident better illustrates this than a now famous case
> reported by
> psychologist Bruno Klopfer. Klopfer was treating a man named
> Wright
> who had advanced cancer of the lymph nodes. All standard
> treatments
> had been exhausted, and Wright appeared to have little time
> left. His
> neck, armpits, chest, abdomen, and groin were filled with
> tumors the
> size of oranges, and his spleen and liver were so enlarged that
> two
> quarts of milky fluid had to be drained out of his chest every
> day.
>
> But Wright did not want to die. He had heard about an exciting
> new
> drug called Krebiozen, and he begged his doctor to let him try
> it. At
> first his doctor refused because the drug was only being tried
> on
> people with a life expectancy of at least three months. But
> Wright was
> so unrelenting in his entreaties, his doctor finally gave in.
> He gave
> Wright an injection of Krebiozen on Friday, but in his heart of
> hearts
> he did not expect Wright to last the weekend. Then the doctor
> went
> home.
>
> To his surprise, on the following Monday he found Wright out of
> bed
> and walking around. Klopfer reported that his tumors had
> "melted like
> snowballs on a hot stove" and were half their original size.
> This was
> a far more rapid decrease in size than even the strongest X-ray
> treatments could have accomplished. Ten days after Wright's
> first
> Krebiozen treatment, he left the hospital and was, as far as
> his
> doctors could tell, cancer free. When he had entered the
> hospital he
> had needed an oxygen mask to breathe, but when he left he was
> well
> enough to fly his own plane at 12,000 feet with no discomfort.
>
> Wright remained well for about two months, but then articles
> began to
> appear asserting that Krebiozen actually had no effect on
> cancer of
> the lymph nodes. Wright, who was rigidly logical and scientific
> in his
> thinking, became very depressed, suffered a relapse, and was
> readmitted to the hospital. This time his physician decided to
> try an
> experiment. He told Wright that Krebiozen was every bit as
> effective
> as it had seemed, but that some of the initial supplies of the
> drug
> had deteriorated during shipping. He explained, however, that
> he had a
> new highly concentrated version of the drug and could treat
> Wright
> with this. Of course the physician did not have a new version
> of the
> drug and intended to inject Wright with plain water. To create
> the
> proper atmosphere he even went through an elaborate procedure
> before
> injecting Wright with the placebo.
>
> Again the results were dramatic. Tumor masses melted, chest
> fluid
> vanished, and Wright was quickly back on his feet and feeling
> great.
> He remained symptom-free for another two months, but then the
> American
> Medical Association announced that a nationwide study of
> Krebiozen had
> found the drug worthless in the treatment of cancer. This time
> Wright's faith was completely shattered. His cancer blossomed
> anew and
> he died two days later.
>
> Wright's story is tragic, but it contains a powerful message:
> When we
> are fortunate enough to bypass our disbelief and tap the
> healing
> forces within us, we can cause tumors to melt away overnight.
>
> In the case of Krebiozen only one person was involved, but
> there are
> similar cases involving many more people. Take a
> chemotherapeutic
> agent called cis-platinum. When cis-platinum first became
> available
> it, too, was touted as a wonder drug, and 75 percent of the
> people who
> received it benefited from the treatment. But after the initial
> wave
> of excitement and the use of cis-platinum became more routine,
> its
> rate of effectiveness dropped to about 25 to 30 percent.
> Apparently
> most of the benefit obtained from cis-platinum was due to the
> placebo
> effect." (Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe)
>
> Mere her:
>
>
http://5-dimension.org/members/talbot/HU-90-97.pdf
>
> Og et ud af mange eksempler på hvad målrettet alternativ
> behandling af
> denne slags kan udrette:
>
>
http://5-dimension.org/members/misc/VEV86-1-Brofman.pdf
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rado
>
> The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance
> but the illusion of knowledge.
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