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Fra : Beng


Dato : 18-09-05 19:48

Hi.

Which goose might this be ?

My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)

Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..

Thanks

//Ben

 
 
Malcolm (18-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Malcolm


Dato : 18-09-05 20:13


In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
<xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>Hi.
>
>Which goose might this be ?
>
>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>
>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>
But you haven't told us where either is

--
Malcolm

Beng (18-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Beng


Dato : 18-09-05 20:38

Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:

>
> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Hi.
>>
>>Which goose might this be ?
>>
>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>
>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>
> But you haven't told us where either is
>

Sorry..

http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm

//Ben


Malcolm (18-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Malcolm


Dato : 18-09-05 22:12


In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
<xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
>>
>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>Hi.
>>>
>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>
>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>
>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>
>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>
>
>Sorry..
>
>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>
>//Ben
>
They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the first
few pictures, adult in the remainder.

Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 43 of
the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much larger
bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with pink
over the top and along the sides.

--
Malcolm

Beng (18-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Beng


Dato : 18-09-05 22:48

Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:

>
> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Hi.
>>>>
>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>
>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>
>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>
>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>
>>
>>Sorry..
>>
>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>
>>//Ben
>>
> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the first
> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>
> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 43
of
> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much larger
> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with pink
> over the top and along the sides.
>

But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports this
year..

All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one bird.

But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was totally
un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..

The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
occoured..

It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..

Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..

If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't "have
"that one.

//Ben


Malcolm (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Malcolm


Dato : 19-09-05 07:40


In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
<xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
>>
>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>
>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>
>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>
>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry..
>>>
>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>
>>>//Ben
>>>
>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the first
>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>
>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 43
>of
>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much larger
>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with pink
>> over the top and along the sides.
>>
>
>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports this
>year..
>
>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one bird.
>
OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in the
photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that some
of the features aren't visible.

>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was totally
>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>
>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>occoured..
>
>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>
>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>
>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't "have
>"that one.
>
Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip is
trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top like
the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.

--
Malcolm

Beng (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Beng


Dato : 19-09-05 10:47

Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:

>
> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>
>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry..
>>>>
>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>
>>>>//Ben
>>>>
>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
first
>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>
>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 43
>>of
>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
larger
>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
pink
>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>
>>
>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports this
>>year..
>>
>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one bird.
>>
> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in the
> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that some
> of the features aren't visible.
>
>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was totally
>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>
>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>occoured..
>>
>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>
>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>
>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't "have
>>"that one.
>>
> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip is
> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top like
> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>

Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got GOOD
photos !!

It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close
as 1 meter..

take a look:

http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm

//Ben


Malcolm (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Malcolm


Dato : 19-09-05 11:38


In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
<xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
>>
>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>Beng
>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>
>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>
>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>first
>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>
>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page 43
>>>of
>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>larger
>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>pink
>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>
>>>
>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports this
>>>year..
>>>
>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one bird.
>>>
>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in the
>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that some
>> of the features aren't visible.
>>
>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was totally
>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>
>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>occoured..
>>>
>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>
>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>
>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't "have
>>>"that one.
>>>
>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about that.
>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip is
>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top like
>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>
>
>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got GOOD
>photos !!
>
>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close
>as 1 meter..
>
>take a look:
>
>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>
Those are better pics! The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year. It
might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more likely
bearing in mind where you live!

--
Malcolm

Beng (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Beng


Dato : 19-09-05 16:04

Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:

>
> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>first
>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page
43
>>>>of
>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>larger
>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>pink
>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
this
>>>>year..
>>>>
>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
bird.
>>>>
>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in
the
>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that
some
>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>
>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
totally
>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>
>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>occoured..
>>>>
>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>
>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>
>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
"have
>>>>"that one.
>>>>
>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
that.
>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip
is
>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top
like
>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>
>>
>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
GOOD
>>photos !!
>>
>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close
>>as 1 meter..
>>
>>take a look:
>>
>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>
> Those are better pics! The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year. It
> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
likely
> bearing in mind where you live!
>

Hmm.. so you would say Bean goose now ???

I've had lots of opinions from the local and national ornitologists, and
they ALL say pink-footed..

//Ben


Beng (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Beng


Dato : 19-09-05 16:05

Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:

>
> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>first
>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page
43
>>>>of
>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>larger
>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>pink
>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
this
>>>>year..
>>>>
>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
bird.
>>>>
>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in
the
>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that
some
>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>
>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
totally
>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>
>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>occoured..
>>>>
>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>
>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>
>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
"have
>>>>"that one.
>>>>
>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
that.
>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip
is
>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top
like
>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>
>>
>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
GOOD
>>photos !!
>>
>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close
>>as 1 meter..
>>
>>take a look:
>>
>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>
> Those are better pics! The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year. It
> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
likely
> bearing in mind where you live!
>

But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?

This one does NOT have orange legs.

So, I would say Pink-footed..

//Ben


Malcolm (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Malcolm


Dato : 19-09-05 16:37


In article <Xns96D6ADD778324xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
<xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
>>
>> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>Beng
>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>>Beng
>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>>first
>>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on page
>43
>>>>>of
>>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>>larger
>>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>>pink
>>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
>this
>>>>>year..
>>>>>
>>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
>bird.
>>>>>
>>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in
>the
>>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that
>some
>>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>>
>>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
>totally
>>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>>
>>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>>occoured..
>>>>>
>>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>>
>>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>>
>>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
>"have
>>>>>"that one.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
>that.
>>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip
>is
>>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top
>like
>>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
>GOOD
>>>photos !!
>>>
>>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as close
>>>as 1 meter..
>>>
>>>take a look:
>>>
>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>
>> Those are better pics! The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year. It
>> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
>likely
>> bearing in mind where you live!
>>
>
>But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?
>
>This one does NOT have orange legs.
>
It's legs are actually quite bright for a juvenile. And not as pure pink
as all that. And Bean Geese can, rarely, have pink legs!

>So, I would say Pink-footed..
>
It's the bill I'm looking at mostly. It's got an awful lot of colour on
it for a Pinkfoot and is quite deep at the base, both a bit more like
Bean than Pinkfoot.


--
Malcolm

Beng (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Beng


Dato : 19-09-05 17:00

Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:eFUixMm$rtLDFwd0
@indaal.demon.co.uk:

>
> In article <Xns96D6ADD778324xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>>>Beng
>>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>>>first
>>>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on
page
>>43
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>>>larger
>>>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>>>pink
>>>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
>>this
>>>>>>year..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
>>bird.
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in
>>the
>>>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that
>>some
>>>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>>>
>>>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
>>totally
>>>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>>>occoured..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
>>"have
>>>>>>"that one.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
>>that.
>>>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip
>>is
>>>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top
>>like
>>>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
>>GOOD
>>>>photos !!
>>>>
>>>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as
close
>>>>as 1 meter..
>>>>
>>>>take a look:
>>>>
>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>
>>> Those are better pics! The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year.
It
>>> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
>>likely
>>> bearing in mind where you live!
>>>
>>
>>But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?
>>
>>This one does NOT have orange legs.
>>
> It's legs are actually quite bright for a juvenile. And not as pure
pink
> as all that. And Bean Geese can, rarely, have pink legs!
>
>>So, I would say Pink-footed..
>>
> It's the bill I'm looking at mostly. It's got an awful lot of colour
on
> it for a Pinkfoot and is quite deep at the base, both a bit more like
> Bean than Pinkfoot.
>
>

But ..the bill is also small?

And, the bird itself was not very big..

Now I am confused... Bean or Pink-footed... :(

But again.. really reliable people says Pink-footed.. but I also have a
lot of trust in your opinion...

Or, should we say that it is impossible to decide betweeen Bean and
Pink-footed ???

//Ben



Malcolm (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Malcolm


Dato : 19-09-05 18:35


In article <Xns96D6B71272A57xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
<xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:eFUixMm$rtLDFwd0
>@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>
>>
>> In article <Xns96D6ADD778324xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>Beng
>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>>Beng
>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>>>>Beng
>>>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in the
>>>>>first
>>>>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on
>page
>>>43
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a much
>>>>>larger
>>>>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill with
>>>>>pink
>>>>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
>>>this
>>>>>>>year..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
>>>bird.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is in
>>>the
>>>>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark that
>>>some
>>>>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
>>>totally
>>>>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>>>>occoured..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
>>>"have
>>>>>>>"that one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
>>>that.
>>>>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>>>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing tip
>>>is
>>>>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on top
>>>like
>>>>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
>>>GOOD
>>>>>photos !!
>>>>>
>>>>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as
>close
>>>>>as 1 meter..
>>>>>
>>>>>take a look:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>
>>>> Those are better pics! The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year.
>It
>>>> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
>>>likely
>>>> bearing in mind where you live!
>>>>
>>>
>>>But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?
>>>
>>>This one does NOT have orange legs.
>>>
>> It's legs are actually quite bright for a juvenile. And not as pure
>pink
>> as all that. And Bean Geese can, rarely, have pink legs!
>>
>>>So, I would say Pink-footed..
>>>
>> It's the bill I'm looking at mostly. It's got an awful lot of colour
>on
>> it for a Pinkfoot and is quite deep at the base, both a bit more like
>> Bean than Pinkfoot.
>>
>>
>
>But ..the bill is also small?
>
But the bill of some bean geese is not large.

>And, the bird itself was not very big..
>
Nor are some bean geese.

>Now I am confused... Bean or Pink-footed... :(
>
Almost certainly Pink-footed, but it is a strange bird in a strange
place and I just said it "might" be Bean to get you thinking

>But again.. really reliable people says Pink-footed.. but I also have a
>lot of trust in your opinion...
>
I think they are very probably right.

>Or, should we say that it is impossible to decide betweeen Bean and
>Pink-footed ???
>
Sometimes.

I believe this bird is a Pinkfoot, but some of its charactistics are not
entirely typical.

--
Malcolm

Beng (19-09-2005)
Kommentar
Fra : Beng


Dato : 19-09-05 19:03

Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:lkp8pjqJbvLDFw5
+@indaal.demon.co.uk:

>
> In article <Xns96D6B71272A57xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:eFUixMm$rtLDFwd0
>>@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <Xns96D6ADD778324xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>, Beng
>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>news:SudRrCZZUpLDFw+K@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In article <Xns96D677D5E8D68xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
Beng
>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>news:gW1dlII60lLDFw6A@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5F2230E83Exnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>Beng
>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>>news:8N3qDoEwgdLDFw4W@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5DC18F8343xnews88REMOVEyahoose@130.133.1.4>,
>>>>Beng
>>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>>Malcolm <Malcolm@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>news:FaqUWLCFxbLDFw+C@indaal.demon.co.uk:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <Xns96D5D3A4A451Bxnews88REMOVEyahoose@
130.133.1.4>,
>>>>>>Beng
>>>>>>>>>>> <xnews88REMOVE@yahoo.se> writes
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Which goose might this be ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>My guess = Graylag goose (Anser anser)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Very poor pictures, but the small movie is a little better..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you haven't told us where either is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Sorry..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>//Ben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are Pink-footed Geese Anser brachyrhynchus, juvenile in
the
>>>>>>first
>>>>>>>>> few pictures, adult in the remainder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compare the bill shape and colour of Greylag and Pinkfoot on
>>page
>>>>43
>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>> the Collins Bird Guide and you will see that Greylag has a
much
>>>>>>larger
>>>>>>>>> bill, coloured all over, while the Pinkfoot has a dark bill
with
>>>>>>pink
>>>>>>>>> over the top and along the sides.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But.. Pink-footed.. gotta be quite a sensation here ? No reports
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>year..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All pictures and movie is 100% the same bird. There was only one
>>>>bird.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK. I've had another look and the variation I thought I saw is
in
>>>>the
>>>>>>> photographs not the bird. The first three photos are so dark
that
>>>>some
>>>>>>> of the features aren't visible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But I have to agree.. the bill WAS really small.. the bird was
>>>>totally
>>>>>>>>un-shy.. I could go about 2 meters near..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The photos are bad because it was dark.. so shaking-unstibility
>>>>>>>>occoured..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems to be darker at top of bill too? as the Pink-footed..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well well, I got to get some more opinion on this one..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If it really IS Pink-footed.. I would be VERY pleased.. I don't
>>>>"have
>>>>>>>>"that one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh it really IS pink-footed. There is absolutely no doubt about
>>>>that.
>>>>>>> The fact that it was so tame suggests that it may not have been
>>>>>>> completely fit. I notice that in the last photo the right wing
tip
>>>>is
>>>>>>> trailing slightly below the tail feathers instead of being on
top
>>>>like
>>>>>>> the left wing. This is sometimes a sign of some injury.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I have to agree. And it was still there today, and now I got
>>>>GOOD
>>>>>>photos !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It doesn't look injured, but maybe unable to fly. Today I got as
>>close
>>>>>>as 1 meter..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>take a look:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://orre.mine.nu/id/id7/id7.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>> Those are better pics! The bird is a juvenile, hatched this year.
>>It
>>>>> might be a Bean Goose rather than a Pinkfoot, which is much more
>>>>likely
>>>>> bearing in mind where you live!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But.. the leg-color then ?? Bean goose = orange legs ?
>>>>
>>>>This one does NOT have orange legs.
>>>>
>>> It's legs are actually quite bright for a juvenile. And not as pure
>>pink
>>> as all that. And Bean Geese can, rarely, have pink legs!
>>>
>>>>So, I would say Pink-footed..
>>>>
>>> It's the bill I'm looking at mostly. It's got an awful lot of colour
>>on
>>> it for a Pinkfoot and is quite deep at the base, both a bit more
like
>>> Bean than Pinkfoot.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>But ..the bill is also small?
>>
> But the bill of some bean geese is not large.
>
>>And, the bird itself was not very big..
>>
> Nor are some bean geese.
>
>>Now I am confused... Bean or Pink-footed... :(
>>
> Almost certainly Pink-footed, but it is a strange bird in a strange
> place and I just said it "might" be Bean to get you thinking
>
>>But again.. really reliable people says Pink-footed.. but I also have
a
>>lot of trust in your opinion...
>>
> I think they are very probably right.
>
>>Or, should we say that it is impossible to decide betweeen Bean and
>>Pink-footed ???
>>
> Sometimes.
>
> I believe this bird is a Pinkfoot, but some of its charactistics are
not
> entirely typical.
>

Ok, I have really tried to compare to the book.. and I would say Pink-
footed.

Dont'n know if you got my earlier "other opinion".. here it is any way.

And, thanks for your effort Malc !

"Yes, it is a Pink-footed goose.

Shortbilled with pink point of bill and also pink legs (pink/red is a
better description).

On the pictures whitout flash one can see the brighter tail (than Bean
goose) and and the brighter back

(extra obvious silvercolour on some feaders). Back: silver in there.
Neck and head deeper chokolate-brown

than Bean.

The light tips on any feader at back and wings indicates young bird."


//Ben

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