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> Nyd den engelske oversættelse af den urgamle Esajasversion og se hvorledes
> denne klare profeti forsøges forplumret af interessegrupper i dag:
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> 5. (Chapter 53:1) Who has believed our report and the arm of YHWH to whom
> has it been revealed (2) And he shall come up like a suckling before us
> 6. and as a root from dry ground there is no form to him and no beauty to
> him and in his being seen and there is no appearance
> 7. that we should desire him. (3) He is despised and rejected of men, a
> man of sorrows and knowing grief
> 8. and as though hiding faces from him he was despised and we did not
> esteem him. (4) Surely our griefs he
> 9. is bearing and our sorrows he carried them and we esteemed him beaten
> and struck by God
> [There is a scribal thumb print over lines 10 to 12.]
> 10. and afflicted. (5) and he is wounded for our transgressions, and
> crushed for our iniquities, the correction
> 11. of our peace was upon him and by his wounds he has healed us. (6) All
> of us like sheep have wandered each man to his own way
> 12. we have turned and YHWH has caused to light on him the iniquity of all
> of us (7) He was oppressed and he was afflicted and he did not
> 13. open his mouth, as a lamb to the slaughter he is brought and as a ewe
> before her shearers is made dumb he did not open
> 14. his mouth. (8) From prison and from judgement he was taken and his
> generation who shall discuss it because he was cut off from the land of
> 15. the living. Because from the transgressions of his people a wound was
> to him (PP)
>
> 16. (9) And they gave wicked ones to be his grave and [a scribbled word
> probably accusative sign "eth"] rich ones in his death
> 17. although he worked no violence neither deceit in his mouth (10) And
> YHWH was pleased to crush him and He has caused him grief. (PP)
>
> 18. If you will appoint his soul a sin offering he will see his seed and
> he will lengthen his days and the pleasure of YHWH {&yod?&]
> 19. in his hand will advance. (11) Of the toil of his soul he shall see
> {+light+} and he shall be satisfied and by his knowledge shall he make
> righteous
> 20. even my righteous servant for many and their iniquities he will bear.
> (12) Therefore I will apportion to him among the great ones
> 21. and with the mighty ones he shall divide the spoil because he laid
> bare to death his soul and with the transgressors
> 22. he was numbered, and he, the sins of many, he bore, and for their
> transgressions he entreated.(PP
.... hvilket får mig til at gen-fremsætte mit spørgsmål:
(idet Cyril endnu ikke har kunnet fremlægge et modargument)
date: 17. april 2004 CET 18:49
Subject: Re: Jesus - Messias eller ej?
1907 news:afdgc.144054$jf4.7606922@news000.worldonline.dk
(citat start)
Vi kristne (både hedninge- og jøde-kristne) mener jo, at Es.53 er en profeti
om Jesus.
Synd er noget *personligt* ifølge GT-skrifterne. Således skriver profeten
Ezekiel i hans bog følgende:
"Herrens ord kom til mig således:
...
Den sjæl, der synder, den skal dø; søn skal ikke bære faders
misgerning, ej heller fader søns"
(Ez.18.1,20)
Således kan vi *konkludere*, at arvinger IKKE skal straffes for forældres
synd (og omvendt)!
[ ... ]
Derfor forekommer det mig úlogisk, at Es.53,12 er en profeti om nationen
Israel - således som du flere gange har givet udtryk for - idet der jo her
står skrevet:
"... dog bar Han manges synd ..."
Hermed mener jeg, at der er bevis for, at Es.53,12 kun kan være en profeti
om Gud-Hamselv (jævnfør Lukas 5,21b)
(citat slut)
Er dette korrekt ?
Men kærlig broder-hilsen
Mogens Kall
The servant of Michael.
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