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Hej

Nu har TD@s newsserver i snart mange uger kørt ret dårligt.

Jeg ville bare fortælle eventuelle internet brugere som overvejer at
skifte udbyder til TD@ at TD@ ikke prioriterer newsservice ret højt
for tiden. Lidt ærgerligt, for det plejer jo at køre, men jeg vil have
lov til at brokke mig, når jeg ikke får det produkt jeg betaler for.

Problemet har været at den gamle server igennem længere tid har været
ret overbelastet og at en nye server _er_ indkøbt og _er_ leveret. Det
det ser dog ud som om at TD@ cheferne ikke prioriterer opsætning af
den nye server ret højt, men sætter medarbejderne på andre opgaver.

Samtidig fatter man jo ikke at det kan tage flere måneder at få en ny
newsserver på plads, når man sandsynligvis mange måneder i forvejen
kan se at newsfeedet er konstant stigende.

Jeg håber ikke at denne nedprioritering af news er den fremtidige
standard for TD@.

Mvh
Sune

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"Sune" <sune@SLETDETTEinnocent.com> skrev

> men jeg vil have
> lov til at brokke mig, når jeg ikke får det produkt jeg betaler for.

Så brug den gruppe der er beregnet til det.

FUT dk.edb.internet.udbydere.ris+ros


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On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:23:21 +0100, CHRistian wrote:
>Sune <sune@SLETDETTEinnocent.com> wrote:
>
>>TD@s / TDKs / TDCs newsserver
>
>Hvaaa'... hedder det ikke TD@ mere? Hvad så? Tele Danmark
>C-hvadfornoget?

TDC Internet A/S er det officielle navn nu.

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jesper@wheel.dk (Jesper Skriver) wrote:

>>Hvaaa'... hedder det ikke TD@ mere? Hvad så? Tele Danmark
>>C-hvadfornoget?
>TDC Internet A/S er det officielle navn nu.

Hvad står C'et for?

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"CHRistian" <nospam@direkte.org> wrote in message
news:2cse4t0nlam6jp61ema1b7fmb9c9curgk6@news.inet.tele.dk...
> Hvad står C'et for?

http://presseloge.teledanmark.dk/koncernkommunikation/cgi-bin/kk_show_text_m
sg.cgi?Site=PL&Id=3143&Type=Pressemeddelelse

Mvh Hauge

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"CHRistian" <nospam@direkte.org> skrev i en meddelelse
news:2cse4t0nlam6jp61ema1b7fmb9c9curgk6@news.inet.tele.dk...
> jesper@wheel.dk (Jesper Skriver) wrote:
>
> >>Hvaaa'... hedder det ikke TD@ mere? Hvad så? Tele Danmark
> >>C-hvadfornoget?
> >TDC Internet A/S er det officielle navn nu.
>
> Hvad står C'et for?

Hej.

Er du momsregistreret og ikke ønsker at betale for en avis/dagblad, kan du
helt gratis modtage Erhvervsbladet.

TDK er stort set i denne forbindelse blevet omtalt i forbindelse med
navneskift.

Alternativt kan du på Internettet læse det samme i et utal af
Internetaviser.

God læselyst

mvh
Bjørn

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CHRistian <nospam@direkte.org> wrote:

>Hvad står C'et for?

Det står for "Could not find an unoccupied domain name".


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Allan Olesen <aolesen@post3.tele.dk> wrote:

>>Hvad står C'et for?
>Det står for "Could not find an unoccupied domain name".

Og jeg som troede, det stod for "Can't connect to TDC@ newsserver"

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I indlægget <slrn94eqab.1nqh.jesper@freesbee.wheel.dk>
dateret 25 Dec, forfattede Jesper Skriver:

[snip]
> TDC Internet A/S er det officielle navn nu.
>
Aha, og de der aktionærer der skal spørges om navnet til April har ingen
stemme?

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On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:49:56 +0100, Alex Bach Andersen wrote:
>
>
>I indlægget <slrn94eqab.1nqh.jesper@freesbee.wheel.dk>
> dateret 25 Dec, forfattede Jesper Skriver:
>
>[snip]
>> TDC Internet A/S er det officielle navn nu.
>
>Aha, og de der aktionærer der skal spørges om navnet til April har ingen
>stemme?

Aktionærerne i Tele Danmark A/S skal stemme om Tele Danmark A/S skal skifte
navn til TDC A/S, men datter selskaberne er 100% ejet af Tele Danmark A/S, og
der har været gennemført generalforsamling, hvor en navneændring er vedtaget.

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I indlægget <slrn94es8j.2l1s.jesper@freesbee.wheel.dk>
dateret 25 Dec, forfattede Jesper Skriver:

[snip]
>
> Aktionærerne i Tele Danmark A/S skal stemme om Tele Danmark A/S skal skifte
> navn til TDC A/S, men datter selskaberne er 100% ejet af Tele Danmark A/S, og
> der har været gennemført generalforsamling, hvor en navneændring er vedtaget.
>
Aha, herligt.

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:: Hvaaa'... hedder det ikke TD@ mere? Hvad så? Tele Danmark
:: C-hvadfornoget?

Da din browser ikke understøtter Javascript og/eller Frames kan du
desværre ikke se disse sider.

Don't ask me...


:: >Jeg håber ikke at denne nedprioritering af news er den fremtidige
:: >standard for TD@.
::
:: Ditto!

I wouldn't count on anything. Usenet news is not a seXy product.
News is not something you can package up and market to the masses.
It's not something you can slap a flashy pop-up OpaSiA logo onto
and offer as a clean slick product which people want nowadays.

Simply to put together a news swerver requires between 200 and 250
GB of disk space per day, today, with a growth rate that roughly
doubles every six to eight months. 200GB of production-quality
disk space is not cheap. Two weeks -- which is the minimum amount
of usable disk space -- is a serious investment that isn't going to
get casual approval. And most of all, putting together a news
swerver these days is something you can't just do by fiat. It
takes a team of skilled technicians to build it, tune it, and
most of all, keep it running reliably all day and night.

And if you do make the serious investment for news, what do you get
in return? Not something that's going to attract new customers,
and definitely not something that fits the image that Marketing
would like to present with their sexy airbrushed packaging. No,
instead what you get are discussion groups that have been decimated
by spam and trolls, driving away long-time participants, you expose
customers to the ugly reality of the rest of the world that surely
is not what Tele Danmark, or any company that cares about image,
wants to present. But the bulk of the huge investment in storage
goes not to potentially attractive discussion groups (if they could
be wrapped in a user-friendly GUI frontend and the contents moderated
to keep out unfavorable or off-topic contents), but instead to the
ever-increasing binaries traffic, which consists almost entirely of
unlawfully distributed material that no self-respecting company
would want to be seen as tacitly approving, much less promoting.

News is a money-loser. The only thing that keeps running an in-house
news swerver profitable is the cost of the international lines if
one were to outsource news, while many US providers who do not have
such high line costs have chosen to outsource. The demand for text
groups on the public swervers I have run has been minimal, which
proves to me that the demand for text froups is already being met,
and that there's no profit in the manpower investment needed to
run a top-notch text service. The groups that could benefit from
a good cleanup have already been bled of life, while those which
are holding their own so far are not noticeably improved by putting
much work into them. And the hardware needs are minimal.

The huge cost of news that causes the beancounters' jaws to drop
when I tell them that to run a decent news service starting now,
with a one-year useful lifetime, will require about ten terabytes
of raw disk space, goes completely to keeping up with and storing
a full 230GB per day today. This corresponds to around 30 megabits
per second of international bandwidth to bring it in, and in order
to be able to bring it in effectively and stand a chance of running
a comprehensive news service, means pushing around several terabytes
of data daily. This hardware isn't cheap. In order to pay for it,
you need customers to download more than this volume. Well, this
is the case at pretty much any medium-sized ISP.

Of course, for a news service to be useful, it has to work well.
It's trivial to have a well-run text news service. It's far more
difficult to have a well-run binaries service assuming you try to
carry the whole works, because a single missing part can cause a
binary post to be useless. So things have to be running at peak
perfo

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Anonymous Login <pedobot@pedophile.pedo> wrote in
<meowbot-AutoPoliti-007@netscum.dQ>:

[snip most knowledgeable posting in weeks]

>I've heard that some
>people aren't the least bit concerned that the company hasn't wanted to
>keep the person running news around.

I don't know where you got that idea, but you should know that some of us
consider it one of the greatest losses in company history.

Orubyq gur OBSU. Jr obj orsber lbh.

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"Niels Callesøe" wrote:
>
> Anonymous Login <pedobot@pedophile.pedo> wrote in
> <meowbot-AutoPoliti-007@netscum.dQ>:
>
> [snip most knowledgeable posting in weeks]
>
> >I've heard that some
> >people aren't the least bit concerned that the company hasn't wanted to
> >keep the person running news around.
>
> I don't know where you got that idea, but you should know that some of us
> consider it one of the greatest losses in company history.
>

SUBSCIRBE ** 10


> Orubyq gur OBSU. Jr obj orsber lbh.
>

what he said (and yes I DID read it :)


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John Hinge <shayera_gimmenospam_@cutey.com> wrote in
<3A4874C4.A8330073@cutey.com>:

>what he said (and yes I DID read it :)

Jeg regnede bestemt heller ikke med andet. ;)

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*grine*!

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"Anonymous Login" <pedobot@pedophile.pedo> wrote in message
news:meowbot-AutoPoliti-007@netscum.dQ...
> :: Hvaaa'... hedder det ikke TD@ mere? Hvad så? Tele Danmark
> :: C-hvadfornoget?
>
> Da din browser ikke understøtter Javascript og/eller Frames kan du
> desværre ikke se disse sider.
>
> Don't ask me...
>
>
> :: >Jeg håber ikke at denne nedprioritering af news er den fremtidige
> :: >standard for TD@.
> ::
> :: Ditto!
<snip> Usefull crap :)

Keep it up!

Let's see an all text-news-server, running on some pentium with 45GB
harddrive.
and an all binries NS running some large drives.

if you finde a few extra gigs on the news server could you plz press
alt.binaries.x-files back on it? well just take out some erotic groupe,
there are all ready plenty of them!

Merry Christmas, take some time off, go home get some sleep, you need it! or
you will die to early, that would be a petty.

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On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 08:26:32 GMT, dw@telianisse.org (Allan Joergensen)
wrote:

>Hvilket faktisk er er hvad "vi" på Telia er igang med at sætte op.

Så mangler i bare at lave det til et seperat produkt så man med en td@
account kan betale sig fra at bruge den.

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On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:09:36 GMT, Allan Joergensen wrote:

>Det er nok ikke umuligt at jeg snakker med Produkt om det.

Det skal dog nok nævnes at salget i et sådant produkt med stor sandsynlighed
vil falde drastisk den dag (skulle den komme) hvor tdc@ igen får styr på sin
news-service.

Bortset fra det, syntes jeg ideen er supergod.

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On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:09:36 GMT, dw@telianisse.org (Allan Joergensen)
wrote:

>Det er nok ikke umuligt at jeg snakker med Produkt om det.

Lækkert.

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dw@telianisse.org (Allan Joergensen) writes:

> Rune Klausen <Rune@besked.com> wrote:
>
> >Let's see an all text-news-server, running on some pentium with 45GB
> >harddrive.
> >and an all binries NS running some large drives.
>
> Hvilket faktisk er er hvad "vi" på Telia er igang med at sætte op.

Stærkt! Det bliver lækkert, når dem af os, der godt ka' li' de gode
gammeldags diskussionsgrupper med god gammeldags tekst skrevet af
rigtige mennesker (mere eller mindre) ikke skal lide under, at samme
server skal tumle rundt med utallige gigabytes binaries. Godt initiativ.

--
-- Torben.

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:: Let's see an all text-news-server, running on some pentium with 45GB

Better is many smaller disks. With the amount of pounding a 36GB or
72GB drive would see, it should not be expected to last long -- an
18GB drive that I put overview info on a test machine started to spit
out errors after only a few days...

The problem is that people want one name, `news.tele.dk' for their
news swerver -- I'm already running one or two other machines that
should be well-known by now, but they see practically no use. And
when I tested out the idea of a chaining frontend a couple years ago,
to allow splitting the spool transparently between several other
machines, it wasn't as transparent as it was supposed to be, and did
not work very well.


:: if you finde a few extra gigs on the news server could you plz press
:: alt.binaries.x-files back on it? well just take out some erotic groupe,

I dropped x-files when it appeared at the top of groups by volume in a
scan made when I had to do an emergency recovery of the spool after it
filled up. This, like all groups I've removed for space reasons, is
available on the rather minimal test machine at snews://193.162.153.120/
or news://193.162.153.124/

I'm about to get rid of alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica.asian next -- it
showed up with some 7GB in one day at the very top of the list. It's a
pr0n froup and sees a little bit of readership, but not enough to warrant
1/20 of the total space in the spool.

The current crunch, if you have not followed the discussion a few days
ago in dk.admin, is caused by the high volume of posts to dk.binaer*
that is growing at a rate much, much greater than the rest of usenet --
while typically the daily usenet volume doubles every six to eight months
so that the 230GB per day that sites which can keep up are seeing now
will be 500GB per day in the summer at present growth, the daily volume
in the binary dk newsfroups has increased by a factor of nearly 3 in a
bit over a month. That's a month for double the volume, compared to 8
months to double the volume in the rest of usenet.

This constant growth, more than any daily burst in other froups, is what
is causing problems now, since the original spool layout never planned
for more than a gigabyte or two total. To handle this, I'm having to
delete other groups that are found to take up space at the top of the
scans I do every few days, every time the spool fills too early.

The problem is that this test reader isn't able to stay running on its
own, and no longer is worth more work. I'm still trying to isolate the
cause of the software problem that caused it to be down a day earlier,
and just a few hours ago it suffered some weird kernel problem. But I
am transferring all this to another machine in a different configuration,
that I hope can keep up and run when I'm not around to babysit it. It
does not look so promising, as the `Slow' in Slowaris means it seems
unable to keep up with a full feed, but it's all I got.


:: Merry Christmas, take some time off, go home get some sleep, you need it! or

Time off? Sleep? When things aren't able to run themselves? I shall
not sleep until I am well out of the country, like on an overnight train
out of Hamburg, then I'll sleep for a week! (though I will probably wake
out of habit just to check if the news swerver is still running, and panic
when I don't find it next to me...)


:: you will die to early, that would be a petty.

IT CANNOT BE EARLY ENOUGH


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KLIP

Well said - Well spoken.

mvh
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