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Fra : Wolverine


Dato : 23-04-01 15:15

Damn!!
Troede ikke mine egne øjne 1024 KB/Sek.
Dette er seføli det højeste jeg har set...normalt kører det med en 500-600
KBsek
For kun 175 Kr mdr...med fri trafik....FUCK!!

Er der andre her der har skumle pragt historier med GVDnet?

Se vedlagte pic.

-Wolverine



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Martin Højriis Krist~ (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Martin Højriis Krist~


Dato : 23-04-01 15:22

"Wolverine" <Wolverine@Technomages.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:KNWE6.113$677.7725@news.get2net.dk...
> Se vedlagte pic.

Er du venlig at nøjes med at poste binære filer i binær-grupperne? De har
ikke deres navn uden grund...
Hvis du er i tvivl om reglerne kan de ses på www.usenet.dk

--
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Jeg repræsenterer med denne udtalelse mig selv og ikke TDC Internet



Thomas Jensen - pil.~ (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Thomas Jensen - pil.~


Dato : 23-04-01 15:11

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:21:54 +0200, "Martin Højriis Kristensen"
<hoejriis@SLETDETTEiname.com> wrote:

>"Wolverine" <Wolverine@Technomages.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:KNWE6.113$677.7725@news.get2net.dk...
>> Se vedlagte pic.
>
>Er du venlig at nøjes med at poste binære filer i binær-grupperne?

Er du venlig at fremskynde noget mere filtrering på tdc's newsservere?


Ikke at du repræsentere nogen... men hvis du på et tidspunkt skulle
møde en bofh i kantinen eller på anden vis kan friste m. doughnuts
eller colaer


--
mvh
Thomas Jensen
http://pil.dk/

Søren Boll Overgaard (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Søren Boll Overgaard


Dato : 23-04-01 15:40

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:10:56 +0200, Thomas Jensen - pil.dk wrote:

> Ikke at du repræsentere nogen... men hvis du på et tidspunkt skulle
> møde en bofh i kantinen eller på anden vis kan friste m. doughnuts
> eller colaer

Måske det efterhånden var på sin plads at forestå en indsamling til
bestikkelse af relevant personnel hos den relevante større ISP?

--
Søren O.

Bedøm din edbforhandler på http://edbforhandlere.dk/

Martin Højriis Krist~ (23-04-2001)
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Dato : 23-04-01 15:41

"Thomas Jensen - pil.dk" <tj@dev.null> skrev i en meddelelse
news:ksd8etg6uc2j6f0d50cta07hk3kmlv3i39@4ax.com...
> Er du venlig at fremskynde noget mere filtrering på tdc's newsservere?
> Ikke at du repræsentere nogen... men hvis du på et tidspunkt skulle
> møde en bofh i kantinen eller på anden vis kan friste m. doughnuts
> eller colaer

Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at være
ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.
Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på

--
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Svar bedes baseret på RFC1855
Jeg repræsenterer med denne udtalelse mig selv og ikke TDC Internet



Jesper Dybdal (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Jesper Dybdal


Dato : 23-04-01 15:54

"Martin Højriis Kristensen" <hoejriis@SLETDETTEiname.com> wrote:

>"Thomas Jensen - pil.dk" <tj@dev.null> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:ksd8etg6uc2j6f0d50cta07hk3kmlv3i39@4ax.com...
>> Er du venlig at fremskynde noget mere filtrering på tdc's newsservere?
>> Ikke at du repræsentere nogen... men hvis du på et tidspunkt skulle
>> møde en bofh i kantinen eller på anden vis kan friste m. doughnuts
>> eller colaer
>
>Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at være
>ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.

Jeg troede begrundelsen var at news.inet.tele.dk ikke virkede
ordentligt. Efterspørgslen efter ufiltreret adgang har ikke være
så stor at jeg overhovedet har lagt mærke til den, men
efterspørgslen efter en virkende, gerne kun-tekst-, server var
stor.

>Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på

Ja tak! Jeg har i den senere tid måttet komme i tanker om
hvordan man definerer news-filtre i Agent; det har jeg ellers
ikke haft behov for i årevis fordi Barry m.fl. klarede det for
mig.

--
Jesper Dybdal, Denmark.
http://www.dybdal.dk (in Danish).

Martin Højriis Krist~ (23-04-2001)
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Dato : 23-04-01 16:05

"Jesper Dybdal" <jdunet@u5.dybdal.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3bg8et4np68h8d06658is9ngrcav1h05ck@tnews.inet.tele.dk...
> >Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at
være
> >ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.
> Jeg troede begrundelsen var at news.inet.tele.dk ikke virkede
> ordentligt.

Nej, det er begrundelsen for at man laver en ny news.inet.tele.dk
Man ville netop ikke lave en lappeløsning.

> Efterspørgslen efter ufiltreret adgang har ikke være
> så stor at jeg overhovedet har lagt mærke til den, men
> efterspørgslen efter en virkende, gerne kun-tekst-, server var
> stor.

Ufiltreret adgang skal bruges ved nogle fejlsøgningssituationer og kan ikke
sameksistere med filtreret adgang, andet end på seperate maskiner. Derfor
tnews. (mener jeg)

--
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Jeg repræsenterer med denne udtalelse mig selv og ikke TDC Internet



Thomas Jensen - pil.~ (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Thomas Jensen - pil.~


Dato : 23-04-01 15:49

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:41:02 +0200, "Martin Højriis Kristensen"
<hoejriis@SLETDETTEiname.com> wrote:

>Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at være
>ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.

hvis det på noget tidspunkt har været postet som begrundelse vil jeg
da gerne se en messageId.

Hver gang dette bringes på banen nævnes den "misforståede"
begrundelse? .. Det lader til at een misforståelse har det m. at
nedarve til alle efterflg. postings?

Som jeg og mange andre husker begrundelsen var det at tnews var noget
som kunne bringes til at virke når man nu ikke ville erkende at
bevillingerne til et full-feedet pron,mp3,warez server ikke stod mål
m. ambitionerne.

Men jeg og så mange andre kunder kan selvfølgelig tage fejl eller
huske forkert... selvom jeg så i givet fald stiller mig uforstående.

>Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på

just do it then

--
mvh
Thomas Jensen
http://pil.dk/

Martin Højriis Krist~ (23-04-2001)
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Dato : 23-04-01 16:19

"Thomas Jensen - pil.dk" <tj@dev.null> skrev i en meddelelse
news:c0g8et84gh61ravkej3q6c572f3s89le3r@4ax.com...
> >Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at
være
> >ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.
> hvis det på noget tidspunkt har været postet som begrundelse vil jeg
> da gerne se en messageId.

samtale_med_bofh@gammelkantine.opa

> >Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på
> just do it then

Not my job...

--
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Jeg repræsenterer med denne udtalelse mig selv og ikke TDC Internet



Sonny T. Larsen (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Sonny T. Larsen


Dato : 23-04-01 16:20

Thomas Jensen - pil.dk <tj@dev.null> wrote:

> Men jeg og så mange andre kunder kan selvfølgelig tage fejl eller
> huske forkert... selvom jeg så i givet fald stiller mig uforstående.

Du har ret - tnews blev lavet for at give mulighed for at læse fra en
server, der ikke var tynget af alt.binaries.

--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." - Russell

Martin Højriis Krist~ (23-04-2001)
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Dato : 23-04-01 16:27

"Sonny T. Larsen" <sonny@unix.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:9c1h7n$2rh9$2@tnews.inet.tele.dk...
> Du har ret - tnews blev lavet for at give mulighed for at læse fra en
> server, der ikke var tynget af alt.binaries.

ok, ok
Så må samtale_med_bofh@gammelkantine.opa have indeholdt falsk information,
men det var også nogen tid inden tnews var færdig.

--
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Svar bedes baseret på RFC1855
Jeg repræsenterer med denne udtalelse mig selv og ikke TDC Internet



BARRY BOUWSMA IS A P~ (24-04-2001)
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Fra : BARRY BOUWSMA IS A P~


Dato : 24-04-01 00:50

"'tj@dev.null'" <tj@dev.null> skrev i en
nyhedsmeddelelse:c0g8et84gh61ravkej3q6c572f3s89le3r@4ax.com...

:: >Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at være
:: >ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.
::
:: hvis det på noget tidspunkt har været postet som begrundelse vil jeg
:: da gerne se en messageId.

For the umpteenth time, this was in personal communication that
I had with Joachim and Sonny, after they had had discussions and
decided to come up with this idea.

The history of the discussion before it was mentioned to me was
that for a few months before, news.tele.dk had had problems when
it was biting off more than it could chew and trying to do
everything, and Important Customers were complaining about its
performance.

After that time I did things to restore the performance of the
news.tele.dk machine back to something usable, except for one
periodic bug, but it still had the reputation of being a poor
performer, and that reputation (now false) had made its way up
the bureaucracy.

So, when news.tele.dk was again working well (that is, without
problems once I had made major changes to the way it was designed
to operate and started the mass-pruning of newsfroups), I happened
in on a discussion about setting up a text-only plus dk.pr0n box
to satisfy the complainants who apparently didn't think to see if
news.tele.dk was in fact working well or not.

Given that the old news1.tele.dk machine was running unfiltered
and the complaints about news.tele.dk were coming from people who
had used news1.tele.dk before, and that there were no serious
problems with news.tele.dk, I saw no reason to simply duplicate
news.tele.dk and have two machines trying to do the same thing
and twice as many possibilities for things to go wrong. Joachim
had talked about doing no filtering other than to block binary
posts outside of dk.pr0n. (I'm not sure why this isn't happening
though; I've mentioned it several times)

Let me repeat once again: If you want a filtered feed, THEN USE
NEWS.TELE.DK. It's that simple. Apart from a few hours of
problems upstream of news.tele.dk over the weekend while I had
fallen asleep, news.tele.dk has actually had fewer problems and
far better performance than tnews.inet.tele.dk. Not that everything
is ideal; there are actually a lot of problems affecting all boxen.

I don't remember the communication, but if it wasn't already
brought up, I strongly recommended an unfiltered (apart from the
misplaced binaries that can destroy storage space) machine, for
the above-mentioned reason that it was stupid to simply duplicate
news.tele.dk rather than to provide a useful alternative -- I've
long said that the news.tele.dk filtering is far too fascistic,
and drops some things that some people may want to see while others
do not.

You're never going to reach agreement on filtering. Remember that
you complained that incoming posts with `Sv:' were appearing, but
other people were complaining that they were *not* appearing on
news.tele.dk. Also, if someone cares to maintain the filtering,
they need to be able to pull up articles that have been dropped
to find out why, if there are important posts missing.

The fact that there is no unfiltered machine available that can
be used as a reference for research is why I strongly recommended
that tnews be unfiltered apart from the space-imposed binary
filtering. This way far more people can be kept happy with a
wider variety of choices.

Secondly, if you haven't noticed, there are new rogue cancels out
there that have totally wiped out days of newsgroups that I follow.
Another thing that had been suggested was that tnews *not* process
cancels apart from local cancels, because the partial filtering on
news.tele.dk against rogue cancels is not perfect and never can be.

It's pretty much impossible to research the latest flooding and
rogue cancelling attacks (that seem to be from NewsAgent, so part
of them are filtered away, but not the new variety) without some
record of the floods, and if some spam canceller cleans them up
from news.tele.dk, the evidence for research is gone. This, and
the fact that these rogue cancels were deleting thousands of posts
from both news.tele.dk and tnews, caused me to ask early one morning
that cancels be disabled entirely, because otherwise there would be
no way to follow groups under attack this way.

If you don't like the idea that spam and floods and everything will
not disappear from tnews, then use news.tele.dk. If, like me, you
don't like the idea that legitimate posts can be wiped out from
news.tele.dk, then use tnews. There's a very good reason to have
two completely different machines.

If it were my job and I had the time and access to the machines, I
would update the filtering on news.tele.dk to ignore this latest
mutation of rogue cancels and floods. Since I'm not doing that,
the only alternative is to read groups like news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
and alt.religion.scientology and several others from tnews during
the flood of cancels. While the level of off-topic posts, spam,
and attacks on nan-au is high enough that normally it's far better
to read it from news.tele.dk, although in order to maintain that
level of readability and the huge difference in appearance, there
will be some legitimate posts that go missing.

I find the availability of a (somewhat) filtered news.tele.dk that
works fine most of the time, plus an unfiltered uncancellable
tnews that works fine much of the time (unfortunately, problems
the last week have resulted in serious gaps on tnews that will not
be able to be recovered, because of still other problems elsewhere),
giving two extremes on the spectrum, to be a Good Idea.

Let me repeat it for the umpteenth-plus-two time, and slowly now:
If the unfiltered tnews is not what you are looking for, then use
news.tele.dk. DO NOT ASK FOR FILTERING. The tnews machine is far
more valuable as it is. If you use tnews, expect to see spam and
posts that do not appear on news.tele.dk.

If both tnews and news.tele.dk run identical filtering, then it's
a waste of time and effort to keep them both running, and while
news.tele.dk has been performing much better (this past weekend's
problems that affected news.tele.dk were on the filtering machine
itself and therefore would have hit tnews, which avoided them this
time, sort of, as it had its own performance problems), that would
be the one I'd choose to shut down. Right now it tries to act as
complement to tnews, offering pr0n during off-hours, since it has
the capacity to do that, but that's not important enough to keep
it running when the rest of its functions are duplicated by tnews.

Yes, every week the filtering needs to be updated. If you have
not noticed, I added a few charter enforcements for dk.* that
have caught posts made on other providers and so cannot be seen
on news.tele.dk, but can be seen on tnews. If I did not have an
unfiltered alternative available, I probably would not have tried
to enforce these charters in software.

No, I'm not going to update the filtering much. It's not my job.
People have voted with their feet and apart from a few people who
have complained, who have repeatedly been urged to switch back to
news.tele.dk for the filtering, most are happy.

In this particular case, you'd do far better at contacting the ISP
of the person who posted the misplaced binary and ask *them* to
add a filter that will prevent this user from making these posts
in the first place, so that the lack of filtering on tnews would
not bother you.


:: Som jeg og mange andre husker begrundelsen var det at tnews var noget
:: som kunne bringes til at virke når man nu ikke ville erkende at
:: bevillingerne til et full-feedet pron,mp3,warez server ikke stod mål
:: m. ambitionerne.

Maybe so, but news.tele.dk cannot be a full-feed warez box either,
and now throws away all but about 1/20 of a full feed (losing some
95% of the volume). So now there are two such machines. It has
been something like a year since news.tele.dk tried to be a full-
feed machine.


:: Men jeg og så mange andre kunder kan selvfølgelig tage fejl eller
:: huske forkert... selvom jeg så i givet fald stiller mig uforstående.

You're partly right, but the situation is different now. Maybe
my description of the current situation makes a difference.
Probably not.


:: >Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på
::
:: just do it then

Got a better idea. If you want a filter, just use news.tele.dk.
You'll be much happier.

Like I've said, putting a filter on tnews (though I do agree with
a minimal filter-binaries filter; I don't know why that planned
filter never was implemented) will make it no more than a simple
duplicate of news.tele.dk, and will lose one of the choices you
have today.

Do you really still want it filtered, removing its usefulness as
an alternative?

Can you explain why the filtered news.tele.dk is unsatisfactory?
If you do, maybe I'll agree and decide it should be made redundant
and shut down rather than taking time that can far better be spent
elsewhere.

Otherwise, I'll repeat one more time, if you use tnews, expect to
see spam. Don't complain about it, unless you see the same spam
on news.tele.dk. The tnews machine is *not* *for* *everybody*.
If someone rogue-cancels your dk groups, though, then be glad
that tnews is available to read from.

Furrfu. You can't satisfy everyone.

Jesper Dybdal (23-04-2001)
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Dato : 23-04-01 23:08

BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PEDOPHILE!!! <pedophile@pedophile.pedophile>
wrote:

>Let me repeat once again: If you want a filtered feed, THEN USE
>NEWS.TELE.DK.

Ok - I will. The primary reason I'm not doing so right now is
that news.tele.dk was not running well when I changed to tnews,
and I don't want to change too often (because it requires me to
get Agent to re-synch the article numbers and causes it to be
unable to easily retrieve old articles for which it retrieved the
headers from the previous server).

>Secondly, if you haven't noticed, there are new rogue cancels out
>there that have totally wiped out days of newsgroups that I follow.
>Another thing that had been suggested was that tnews *not* process
>cancels apart from local cancels, because the partial filtering on
>news.tele.dk against rogue cancels is not perfect and never can be.

This tnews sounds like a fine tool for the news administrators.
But it was "sold" to customers as a fix to the problem of
news.tele.dk's lack of capacity and resulting instability - see
<97not9$9d3$1@news.inet.tele.dk> from tele.internet.info.

>I find the availability of a (somewhat) filtered news.tele.dk that
>works fine most of the time, plus an unfiltered uncancellable
>tnews that works fine much of the time (unfortunately, problems
>the last week have resulted in serious gaps on tnews that will not
>be able to be recovered, because of still other problems elsewhere),
>giving two extremes on the spectrum, to be a Good Idea.

If news.tele.dk is usable, then you're right; but I did not know
that news.tele.dk was usable.

>You're partly right, but the situation is different now. Maybe
>my description of the current situation makes a difference.

It will make me try news.tele.dk once more.

>Can you explain why the filtered news.tele.dk is unsatisfactory?

It was at the time I changed to tnews.

>The tnews machine is *not* *for* *everybody*.

I think quite a few of us were under the impression that tnews
was for everybody not interested in non-dk binary groups.

--
Jesper Dybdal, Denmark.
http://www.dybdal.dk (in Danish).

Diseased Hideously D~ (25-04-2001)
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Dato : 25-04-01 07:11

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:: It is quite possible that news.tele.dk had
:: actually become much better _before_ I changed to tnews, but that
:: I was influenced by the previous months of irritation.

Yeps, things are not static. Right now, there are a few posts
of importance in one of the groups I'm following that I can find
on news.tele.dk, which are not yet available on tnews. This time
it is nothing to worry about, I don't think, since they *should*
show up in a few hours unless there's some problem I don't know
about. Of course you don't know this unless you can compare the
two, or if you can look from outside to see the overall status
of things. You probably would never even notice until articles
start to go missing for a day or more, like happened recently
(and thanks to another bug, these articles are getting recycled
again and showing up almost a week later), or unless you are a
hopelessly addicted netnoose junkie. Like, um, me.

Of course, you have to know who it is who knows what they are
talking about and who is just blowing smoke, or who is so
hopelessly removed from the behind-the-scenes reality that
their pronouncements have to be taken with a mouthful of coarse
sea salt. Many problems are not obvious to any but the most
skilled of observers.


:: >the eventual new news box should duplicate news.tele.dk with
:: >filtering and all, there's no reason why it isn't set up, when
:: >it's ready for production, as a slave to news.tele.dk to fill
:: >the spool with all the old articles I've been keeping to give
:: >the needed continuity.
::
:: That would be nice - particularly if it takes over the names
:: news.tele.dk and news.inet.tele.dk. Not only for Agent users

This is the plan. After all, if news.tele.dk ( ~ws.inet) is
to be shut down, it's silly to have more than half of the
users who don't pay attention to be trying to access a new
machine at a name they don't know about.


:: like me, but for all those users who are not aware that they are
:: accessing a new server and that article numbering can be a
:: problem..

The last time this happened (you were aware of the last time,
no? Or were you one of those news1.tele.dk users? Well, in
both cases) this was because of an unplanned failure that
destroyed the old news machine and took out all the old data.
There was no chance for a smooth transition. In the case of
news1.tele.dk, its unplanned shutdown was made to a different
and already-operating machine, some months ahead of schedule,
but in that case there was no possible way to move to a machine
with the same article numbering when it already had been
operating for well over a year for a different set of customers.

With planning and preparation, this can be done right. When
one discovers in the morning that the old news spool had
burst into flames at four in the morning (I DIDN'T DO IT, I
WAS LOGGED IN BUT I DIDN'T DO IT) and someone had only made
backups of the wrong news machines, and it's a mad rush to
get something, anything, up and running from scratch as soon
as possible while I was blissfully looking at the snow-covered
alps on a sunny spring day as I'm taking a relaxing train
ride to my grillfiend's place in the flowery green alpine
meadows, then, well, one sort of starts from zero.

If an orderly transition isn't going to happen, well, then
I've been wasting my time. Other than the fact that these
inviting alps have something like three metres of snow from
the last weekend right now that they didn't have two years
ago. Wow. Two years since I had freedom. Wow.


:: >official TDC news swerver that people use by default, it should
:: >always give acceptable performance in text groups or else
:: >someone needs to rethink their priorities.
::
:: I couldn't agree more. (If I wanted to be nasty here - which of
:: course is not the case - I might have concluded that they
:: obviously did rethink their priorities at one point, and "Big
:: Brother" came out at the top of the list.)

No, actually the top priority was to Get Rid Of Barry.
Once that project was successful, then everything that I
had been begging and pleading and pulling hair to get,
from disk space, to adequate network bandwidth, to alternatives
to land-based news delivery, all fell together and then it
was priority to hire a news admin to do something with this
shiny new hardware that was denied every time I tried to
point out how impossible it was to do news without it.
And then get him trained from scratch so that he could
do something. Vapourware is vapourware. Until that point,
it was all, well, what you see is all you're gonna get, even
if it's already obsolete with less than two days of retention
and inadequate disk and network bandwidth to handle last year's
newsfeed volume.

News has not ever turned a profit for anyone but a handful
of large providers or specialists in news. Everything else,
from mail, to web space, to fat pipes to the world, are paid
for by those who use them. This is why when I say, hey, the
bandwidth of a full feed that's coming in right now is up to
50 or 60 megabits/second, and we've been unable to get by
without dropping some of it for eight months now, why nobody
jumps up to say, right, you need hardware for a fatter pipe.
On the other hand, when someone shows up with a service they
want provided and a fat bundle of cash to make it happen,
they get service. I had wanted to do a similar service a
year or more before, but I had nothing more than the idea,
and so I did it on my own time and it never had the chance
to take off. There was no money for it. I didn't care
about money. I don't fit in at The New! TDC Cinister!

What I found interesting was that I had talked about how
much space was needed nearly a year ago, which was met by
the quiet sounds of unconscious people crumpling onto the
floor. Nobody ever talked with me about the details after
that. I also said that such a system would be in need of
an upgrade after less than a year, when, like today's
news.tele.dk, it would be obsolete. So now, a year later,
the hardware based on my specs a year ago is delivered.
But if someone approached me today and said hey, we want
to put a news box online next week to last a year, what
do we need? The answer I'd give today would be three times
what I said was needed a year ago. Now we're not talking
about big bucks, but really big bucks. With a year lifetime.
Then it's obsolete. And no chance of paying for itself.

That's why news is given the lowest priority. Doing it
well, investing in the hardware and the people to keep it
running, simply does not pay off. And if I haven't been
able to deliver a good news service for the past year of
obsolescence, well, all I'm doing is draining resources.


:: >:: But it was "sold" to customers as a fix to the problem of
:: >
:: >Oh no. He said `sold'. He used the word `sold'. That sounds
:: >like `Marketing'. It appears that again `Marketing' has had
:: >their evil tentacles in things again.
::
:: Perhaps it will help if I point out that I did put it in
:: quotation marks. I actually doubt that Marketing was guilty this
:: time; do they know about the existence of tele.internet.info?

You have to understand that from a techical viewpoint, the
company is divided into two parts: a handful of skilled tech
people who know what's going on and whom everyone else avoids,
and everyone else. This everyone else includes HR, manglement,
marQeting, kvindeservice, the kantine, and the construction
workers who knock holes in walls. The tech people are kept as
isolated from customers as possible, with about ten layers of
firewall surrounding them but without the personal secretaries
that the vice presidents of the other departments enjoy. So
anything that goes out to the world will either be by way of
the Hell Desk or marketing. Since everyone else hates the tech
staff, all the rest of the company blurs into one evil nebulous
entity whose only goal is to make the company look good and the
techs look bad.

So you can imagine how things go. A clued techie talks to
someone with some weird title in some other department, a
press release is drafted, it passes through the ten layers
of firewalls getting rewritten every time, it's sent to a
half-dozen middle-layer managers who each rewrite the memo
to emphasize what they feel is important, it's passed by
the phone monkeys to see if it's understandable to the
typical point'n'drool customer, marketing sees it as a great
opportunity to promote a new service, HR looks over someone's
shoulder to see if it's reason to reassign personnel again,
and finally the announcement gets sent down to the kantine
and the day's menu is changed to raw red dripping bloody
T-news T-bone steaks, to remind people of how the red warning
lights on the news monitoring system are always flashing.


:: porn" spams. A beginner's honest mistake in posting in HTML is
:: something I am much more willling to spend time on. But large
:: attachments can be _very_ annoying when you fetch them by mistake
:: over a 28.8 kbps modem - and there are still a few of those
:: around.

Yeah. I thought these would be filtered out on tnews, so
that there would still be a few posts that never get seen, no
matter what machine, but I don't know what happened with that.


:: I think I suggested it once before, long ago, but I'll try again:
:: couldn't the error message returned to the user's news client
:: consist of a code and a URL to a page that describes in wordy
:: detail what the code means? Then we might also get rid of all
:: those "what does 'posting rejected(MD5)' [or whatever the precise
:: text is] mean" posts.

It's the first time someone's mentioned this to me, but it's
an idea. It needs someone to do it though. I used to write
the filter rules; my priority was to make sure unwanted posts
didn't show up, with a short reason so I could get a feel for
the extent of the types of articles filtered.

Of course, there are something like 200 existing possible
error messages. Maybe only the most commonly encountered...

The specific case you refer to, (md5) EMP rejections, is the
original error message as returned by cleanfeed. The filter
is a crazy quilt patchwork of hastily-written rules that
have been grafted onto Jeremy's original cleanfeed. I don't
have the perspective of an end-user and just can't think that
way. To me, a message like `test posts should be made in a
test group' are clear, but someone else might be able to think
of a much better wording. I still see people who get that
message and then change their subject from `test' to `TEST'
in the same discussion group, and again it fails.

In the case of the (md5) failure, what it really means is that
the same identical post has already been made several times
already (md5 refers to the message digest hash of the content
of the body). In short, the user already posted the message
a few times, and that's enough. The way to avoid this message
is to crosspost to the groups if it's really needed to post
to them all.

What this is really meant to catch is those FREE PENIS ENLARGER
ads that hit every group, that you say, hey, I saw this in
another group already. There are something like 50 000 posts
each day from outside that are caught by this.

But there's another thing. If someone is trying to make the
same post to half a dozen groups, that starts to be spam.
I haven't seen any of these spammers for a few weeks, luckily,
but there will be periodic infestations of them. Is the
person getting this error a real spammer, or is it someone
who just didn't know how to post once to four groups instead
of four times, once in each group?

And then, there have been real spammers. For those, I have
no intention of giving them hints how they can avoid the
filtering. We had a few of these from Talkline BV in NL
and from Contactel in CZ spamming for sex sites. So some
spam is met with a variant of this message, to give the
newsbastards a hint as to what sort of spam has been tried
but without telling the spammer, hey, you can't post a URL
for http://sexwithanimals.dQ/ (but if you leave out the
http or post it as a number it will get past). Luckily,
there haven't yet been any hardcore Repsis-like customers.
Yet. It's only a matter of time.

Another thing is that the error message is (now) given to
all customers, whether of Contactel, Banga, Talkline, TDC,
or future lands. The current machine serves everyone and
is not able to return a different localised message to each
region. So both the message returned and the web page that
is referenced need to be in a language that danish, czech,
dutch, lithuanian, and visitors in danmark can understand.

I'm not saying that some of the errors couldn't be better.
I'm saying I'm not the one who can do a good job at that
and fit about 40 characters with a useful message (not
all readers display the full text of failures). Someone
with an eye as a less experienced beginner would need to
decide how to do this. I was already maintaining the filter
on my spare time, so it's not as if the newsbastards are
starving to take on more work, and that was when I didn't
have shiny new toys to play with.

If you're lucky the existing filter will be scrapped and
the newest k0de obtained from Jeremy. That will be a lot
cleaner than the mess I created from one emergency to the
next. If you're lucky, each part of the TDC family of
companies will get its own physical news machine, and
everything on it can be localised for the language(s)
used for that country (take TDC Schwyz, for example --
I'm not sure if their Franco-suisse and Italiano and
Rumantsch presences are as large as their Schwyzerduetsch
but there you have four language groups plus german and
english to worry about).

The biggest problem I see though is that apparently a lot
of so-called newsreaders don't actually post the user's
article to the swerver and return any failure to the
reader. Instead, it seems the newsreader accepts the
user's post and goes on with other things, and in the
background attempts to post the article until it finally
goes through (which it either does the first time or it
isn't going to go through at all). No error is returned
to the user. Or if an error ever is returned, it would
be the last error, which after a failed attempt several
hundred times, will be the MD5 too-many-repeated-posts
failure. That's what I see for a post that's been
tried repeatedly every few seconds all night since
Monday. There really isn't much I can do about this
except suggest the reader use a different program.
I see this problem most with Outhouse and with Power-
Poster, although perhaps one time out of three the
Outhouse users actually get the failure and correct
their posts.

Of course, I could be lying about this all.

Christian Andersen (25-04-2001)
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Fra : Christian Andersen


Dato : 25-04-01 08:13

Diseased Hideously Deformed Decaying Disintegrated Meow taught me all
about sex, drugs and this:

[snip]

>Of course, I could be lying about this all.

If it makes you feel any better, I think you are.

--
Mvh, Christian

Bliv fri for spam! - http://www.sneakemail.com

Ivar Madsen (25-04-2001)
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Dato : 25-04-01 17:57

On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:50:03 +0200 (CEST), BARRY BOUWSMA IS A
PEDOPHILE!!! <pedophile@pedophile.pedophile> wrote:

Vil du gerne tages seriøs?


Thomas Jensen - pil.~ (25-04-2001)
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Dato : 25-04-01 17:42

On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:56:58 +0200, Ivar Madsen
<ingen.mail@nemo.dyndns.dk> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:50:03 +0200 (CEST), BARRY BOUWSMA IS A
>PEDOPHILE!!! <pedophile@pedophile.pedophile> wrote:
>
>Vil du gerne tages seriøs?

Du ved ikke hvem Barry er?

--
mvh
Thomas Jensen
http://pil.dk/

Peter B. Juul (25-04-2001)
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Dato : 25-04-01 18:10

Ivar Madsen <ingen.mail@nemo.dyndns.dk> writes:

> Vil du gerne tages seriøs?

Det tror jeg ikke Barry har nogen særlig præference omkring. De folk,
der ikke tager ham seriøst har det med at forsvinde.

--
Peter B. Juul, o.-.o If PacMan had affected us as kids we'd be running
The RockBear. ((^)) around in dark rooms, munching pills and listening
I speak only 0}._.{0 to electronic music.
for myself. O/ \O

Morten Kjaer Nielsen (25-04-2001)
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Fra : Morten Kjaer Nielsen


Dato : 25-04-01 21:25

pbj1@enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk (Peter B. Juul) wrote 25 Apr 2001 19:10:07
+0200 :

>De folk,
>der ikke tager ham seriøst har det med at forsvinde.

psst væk borte, zhe cabal got ém.


--
Hygge
Morten , anden er løs, http://gummiand.dk/
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- Disclaimer findes på http://disclaimer.gummiand.dk/

Diseased Terminally ~ (25-04-2001)
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Dato : 25-04-01 21:56

"'sonny@unix.dk'" <sonny@unix.dk> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:9c3e0q$1ess$1@tnews.inet.tele.dk...

:: > who confirmed that he had been using news.tele.dk and it had not
:: > been having any serious problems for some number of weeks.
::
:: Yup, I used to read from news.(inet).tele.dk - and the main problem was
:: duplicate posts.

The reason posts were duplicated was because of the redundancy
I had set up to keep posts from being lost in case of problems,
where one article would be delivered in realtime, and then a
few minutes later, a second attempt would be made to deliver
that article in case it hadn't made it the first time because
of some bug, or if the realtime feed was lagging and in danger
of losing articles.

When the history database is corrupted or not updated, then
both articles get accepted as new ones in spite of the fact
that they are both identical. The history problem appears
to be related to reader load -- it was most severe before I
put in readership restrictions, and as an unexpected side-
effect of these restrictions, suddenly the history file seemed
to behave itself for several weeks.

The tnews machine does not have this incoming redundancy, so
an article has a higher chance (much less than 0,0001%) of not
appearing because of a bug, when things are working well.
Normally this isn't a problem. Sometimes it is.

However, I've heard a report given in the official technical
support group that tnews is also suffering this problem where
messages can't be retrieved by ID. I haven't seen this on any
new articles myself, but I have seen some old ones that seem
to have this problem. If the complainant, who is known to be
one of these never-satisfied danes, is in fact speaking the
truth, then the only reason tnews does not show this problem
is luck that you're running a more failure-prone configuration.

Even if you could reproduce the problem with tnews, I don't
feel it is worth bothering to fix.

The biggest problem I knew of was that the spool was filling
several times per week, partly because of the duplicate problem
and partly because no major pruning had happened. This is no
longer a serious danger after the decimation and removal of all
multipart binaries froups. That would cause an apparent ``down''
time of news.tele.dk when no new posts would appear.


:: The new, soon-to-be-fully-operational[1] server is IMHO where work needs
:: to be done at the moment.

Naaah, I've heard there's a radio station out there that wants
to send out a higher bitrate mpeg audio stream to complement its
existing dial-up-compatible mp3 stream, and they're looking for
the resources to offer this. This, IMNSHO, is what really merits
work. Of course, I could be biased. Like a transistor.


:: "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so."

I think I would rather die pretty soon; in fact, most people do.

BARRY BOUWSMA IS A P~ (24-04-2001)
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Dato : 24-04-01 05:22

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"'jdunet@u5.dybdal.dk'" <jdunet@u5.dybdal.dk> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:ra99etksj2703gf03dpii6dqj3ae6jcfi9@tnews.inet.tele.dk...

:: >NEWS.TELE.DK.
::
:: Ok - I will. The primary reason I'm not doing so right now is
:: that news.tele.dk was not running well when I changed to tnews,

Hmmm. At the time I talked with Sonny and Joachim, it was Sonny
who confirmed that he had been using news.tele.dk and it had not
been having any serious problems for some number of weeks.

(Not that it was totally free of problems -- there still would
happen occasional duplicate posts as a result of a history bug
that would make it impossible to follow references or retrieve
articles by message ID -- but the most serious performance
problems had been addressed some weeks earlier.)


:: and I don't want to change too often (because it requires me to
:: get Agent to re-synch the article numbers and causes it to be
:: unable to easily retrieve old articles for which it retrieved the
:: headers from the previous server).

Yeah, this is unpleasant. I've heard that Agent doesn't support
multiple swervers so well, while the so-called reader that I use
easily supports the four that I access regularly. A true News
Power User[tm] would want to be able to read from both tnews and
news.tele.dk without committing to one or the other.

It is a pity (and in my opinion, a mistake if tnews had been
intended as a mirror) that tnews was not set up as a slave of
news.tele.dk to preserve article numbering and make switching
between swervers trivial. Of course, that doesn't work if the
two machines serve out different sets of articles. But since
the eventual new news box should duplicate news.tele.dk with
filtering and all, there's no reason why it isn't set up, when
it's ready for production, as a slave to news.tele.dk to fill
the spool with all the old articles I've been keeping to give
the needed continuity.

(Yes, Jesper S., I know, I would have done this for the test boxen
if I had been convinced they would work and it was worth the
work to make the transition this way. It didn't happen, but I
didn't commit myself to those boxes the way that the new admin
has committed to Diablo.)

Of course, your typical user will not care about the difference
between tnews and news.tele.dk. For you, and for most users,
I can promise that the performance of the text groups on it is
top priority, and it has plenty of capacity for that, so there
should be no further critical problems, beyond the general
problems that have nothing to do with trying to keep up with
a full feed.

This means that news.tele.dk should work fine for text, until
it is replaced by whatever. It may be a bit slower than tnews
because tnews uses newer hardware and different software, and
I did a major rewrite of the news.tele.dk software a year or
two ago to give it an extra half year of life, that makes it
much faster for OE, but delays doing the filesystem work that
the old k0de did, until it is actually needed, usually when
pulling an article. So for some types of reading, tnews may
appear more responsive, while I have heard that overall, the
news.tele.dk machine pushes out more bytes in a given time.

I can't guarantee that the new news admin will continue to
give news.tele.dk top text priority; however, since it is the
official TDC news swerver that people use by default, it should
always give acceptable performance in text groups or else
someone needs to rethink their priorities.


:: This tnews sounds like a fine tool for the news administrators.

It also is good for customers who aren't satisfied by the well-
known fascist censorship that people are calling for. In fact,
I've seen a *lot* of former customers who have moved to other
ISPs who have said negative things about the TDC news admin or
service. I haven't bothered to find out why, because the
important thing is that people *aren't* satisfied, and not only
because the hardware needed upgrading more than a year ago.


:: But it was "sold" to customers as a fix to the problem of

Oh no. He said `sold'. He used the word `sold'. That sounds
like `Marketing'. It appears that again `Marketing' has had
their evil tentacles in things again.
Aargh. Aaaaaaaaaagh.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH.
AIEEEEEEEEEEEE. AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
MOMMY, HE SAID A BAD WORD AT ME!!!!!!1!!! MAKE HIM STOP!@!!!

Great. So Marketing has been involved and decided to promote
the machine as something different, or didn't give all the
juicy details about it. Figures. I've spent countless hours
cleaning up after incorrect announcements have been made.

Now I see. The idea I had for this machine was based on my
face-to-face discussions I had with Sonny and Joachim. But
that was not what was presented to you. Mea culpa.

<aside>
So my reputation is ruined again. Time to pull out all the
stops on damage control.
</aside>


:: news.tele.dk's lack of capacity and resulting instability - see
:: <97not9$9d3$1@news.inet.tele.dk> from tele.internet.info.

Unfortunately, my ISP doesn't carry that. My previous ISPs
had nothing but spam in the groups. In fact, my ISP has a
piss-poor selection of dk.* that doesn't even include this
group or mudderkastning and seems to be a couple years out
of date. My previous ISP carried the groups but for some
reason dk.* posts didn't propagate outwards unless I also
crossposted them elsewhere. From what I've seen, as soon
as you get out of Danmark, the dk hierarchy falls to pieces.


:: >The tnews machine is *not* *for* *everybody*.
::
:: I think quite a few of us were under the impression that tnews
:: was for everybody not interested in non-dk binary groups.

So I'm learning. Oh well. Look at it this way -- tnews
will look more like some other ISP's swevers, like uni-c
and get2net, if I understand how they've set up their machines.
The difference will be mostly minor for the dk.* groups.
But it's huge for, say, alt.sex.stories. Or so I've heard.

It can be used by every text-interested user. But the idea
of expecting the ISP to act as Nanny and hide objectionable
posts is not quite the idea that people should have, nor is
it what everyone wants from their provider. Sure, some people
do appreciate it when they don't have to waste time on certain
posts, but others don't like it when posts are missing that
they wanted to see.

Someone else asked what is the point of allowing misplaced
binaries, mega-crossposts, HTML, and so on. Well, some people
feel the way to address this problem is by user education,
correcting the user in their erroneous ways by pointing out
their error and what is wrong with doing things that way.
TDC customers who don't see misplaced binaries and HTML and
crossposted flame wars can't do this. Maybe that would be
a better way to handle the persistent problem of users who
try to post with `Sv:' prefixes -- the number of attempted
posts at TDC that never see the light of day has not dropped
from the 200 or 300 or so each day.

I still say it would be much better if get2net, the binary-
poster's ISP, were to install a posting filter, just because
of the resources a misplaced binary uses. Rather than spend
energy complaining that TDC lets such posts *in*, it would
be better for all of usenet if get2net never let that post
get *out*.

For TDC to filter *incoming* posts on binaries, HTML, mega-
crossposts, Sv:, does not help the people who in their
ignorance or arrogance or provocation (though in the last
case it may be to the advantage of all) have broken these
rules. That only works if you, the newsgroup participants,
interact with the offender and/or their ISP to get them to
adhere to the group charters or guidelines. I've seen it
happen that people *expect* that certain things never show
up at all and then, like now, get very upset when they do.
That isn't a good way to learn how to handle the Real World,
er, I mean, the Real Usenet as it is supposed to be.

I've never felt good about maintaining the fascist filtering
since the old news1.tele.dk machine went down and I had no
way to check things or to point people who were negatively
affected by some of my far-too-sweeping censorship (for an
example, no Altopia posts have appeared on news.tele.dk for
many months, for better or worse, in spite of a large amount
of legitimate on-topic posts originating there. This keeps
Usenet Rulez' two-group crossposts into dk.snak.seksualitet
from being seen by those participants at TDC on news.tele.dk
though everyone else sees these posts, and keeps the noise
level down in several other groups without need of any
further filtering).

If TDC wants to offer One Real and True News Service, then
the existing filtered one should not be it. I don't know
if Joachim still plans to rewrite the filtering from scratch
as I had heard, but just about anything would be better than
what I left behind.

Just some thoughts for the people who want the CensurBot to
feed tnews, rather than the existing unfiltered feed.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Sonny T. Larsen (24-04-2001)
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Fra : Sonny T. Larsen


Dato : 24-04-01 09:38

BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PEDOPHILE!!! <pedophile@pedophile.pedophile> wrote:

> Hmmm. At the time I talked with Sonny and Joachim, it was Sonny
> who confirmed that he had been using news.tele.dk and it had not
> been having any serious problems for some number of weeks.

Yup, I used to read from news.(inet).tele.dk - and the main problem was
duplicate posts.

Morten, Joakim and myself decided to build tnews, primarily to provide a
reasonable access to dk.* for the customers who used to read from
the original news.tele.dk.

tnews happens to be unfiltered - mostly because news.tele.dk used to be.

I agree it is somewhat pointless to have two servers with the same
purpose (news.(inet).tele.dk and tnews.inet.tele.dk), but really, none
of them happen to be my primary concern right now.

The new, soon-to-be-fully-operational[1] server is IMHO where work needs
to be done at the moment.

[1] Soon - RSN. Posting should be possible for an elite few later today.
--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." - Russell

Jesper Dybdal (24-04-2001)
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Fra : Jesper Dybdal


Dato : 24-04-01 18:03

BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PEDOPHILE!!! <pedophile@pedophile.pedophile>
wrote:

>"'jdunet@u5.dybdal.dk'" <jdunet@u5.dybdal.dk> schrieb in im
>Newsbeitrag:ra99etksj2703gf03dpii6dqj3ae6jcfi9@tnews.inet.tele.dk...
>
>:: >NEWS.TELE.DK.
>::
>:: Ok - I will. The primary reason I'm not doing so right now is
>:: that news.tele.dk was not running well when I changed to tnews,
>
>Hmmm. At the time I talked with Sonny and Joachim, it was Sonny
>who confirmed that he had been using news.tele.dk and it had not
>been having any serious problems for some number of weeks.

There is a certain inertia in detecting when something stops
being irritating. It is quite possible that news.tele.dk had
actually become much better _before_ I changed to tnews, but that
I was influenced by the previous months of irritation.

>:: and I don't want to change too often (because it requires me to
>:: get Agent to re-synch the article numbers and causes it to be
>:: unable to easily retrieve old articles for which it retrieved the
>:: headers from the previous server).
>
>Yeah, this is unpleasant. I've heard that Agent doesn't support
>multiple swervers so well, while the so-called reader that I use
>easily supports the four that I access regularly. A true News
>Power User[tm] would want to be able to read from both tnews and
>news.tele.dk without committing to one or the other.

Yes. However, Agent is quite good in many other respects, so I
plan to stay with it. (And it has been bought by a company that
actually plans to do further development, so with a little luck
there may be a multiple server feature some day.)

>But since
>the eventual new news box should duplicate news.tele.dk with
>filtering and all, there's no reason why it isn't set up, when
>it's ready for production, as a slave to news.tele.dk to fill
>the spool with all the old articles I've been keeping to give
>the needed continuity.

That would be nice - particularly if it takes over the names
news.tele.dk and news.inet.tele.dk. Not only for Agent users
like me, but for all those users who are not aware that they are
accessing a new server and that article numbering can be a
problem..

>Of course, your typical user will not care about the difference
>between tnews and news.tele.dk. For you, and for most users,
>I can promise that the performance of the text groups on it is
>top priority, and it has plenty of capacity for that, so there
>should be no further critical problems, beyond the general
>problems that have nothing to do with trying to keep up with
>a full feed.

Good!

>I can't guarantee that the new news admin will continue to
>give news.tele.dk top text priority; however, since it is the
>official TDC news swerver that people use by default, it should
>always give acceptable performance in text groups or else
>someone needs to rethink their priorities.

I couldn't agree more. (If I wanted to be nasty here - which of
course is not the case - I might have concluded that they
obviously did rethink their priorities at one point, and "Big
Brother" came out at the top of the list.)

>:: This tnews sounds like a fine tool for the news administrators.
>
>It also is good for customers who aren't satisfied by the well-
>known fascist censorship that people are calling for.

Now you're trying to convince me that there are other types of
customers than me, and that they should also be catered for.
I'll have to put up with that, I suppose.

>:: But it was "sold" to customers as a fix to the problem of
>
>Oh no. He said `sold'. He used the word `sold'. That sounds
>like `Marketing'. It appears that again `Marketing' has had
>their evil tentacles in things again.

Perhaps it will help if I point out that I did put it in
quotation marks. I actually doubt that Marketing was guilty this
time; do they know about the existence of tele.internet.info?

>:: news.tele.dk's lack of capacity and resulting instability - see
>:: <97not9$9d3$1@news.inet.tele.dk> from tele.internet.info.
>
>Unfortunately, my ISP doesn't carry that.

I've put a copy at http://www.dybdal.dk/tdc-news-2001-03-02.txt,
which you are welcome to have a look at. I think that is the
only official mention of tnews I have encountered.

>Someone else asked what is the point of allowing misplaced
>binaries, mega-crossposts, HTML, and so on. Well, some people
>feel the way to address this problem is by user education,
>correcting the user in their erroneous ways by pointing out
>their error and what is wrong with doing things that way.
>TDC customers who don't see misplaced binaries and HTML and
>crossposted flame wars can't do this.

True. What irritates me most is the "Get rich quick" and "Buy my
porn" spams. A beginner's honest mistake in posting in HTML is
something I am much more willling to spend time on. But large
attachments can be _very_ annoying when you fetch them by mistake
over a 28.8 kbps modem - and there are still a few of those
around.

>Maybe that would be
>a better way to handle the persistent problem of users who
>try to post with `Sv:' prefixes -- the number of attempted
>posts at TDC that never see the light of day has not dropped
>from the 200 or 300 or so each day.

I think I suggested it once before, long ago, but I'll try again:
couldn't the error message returned to the user's news client
consist of a code and a URL to a page that describes in wordy
detail what the code means? Then we might also get rid of all
those "what does 'posting rejected(MD5)' [or whatever the precise
text is] mean" posts.

--
Jesper Dybdal, Denmark.
http://www.dybdal.dk (in Danish).

Sonny T. Larsen (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Sonny T. Larsen


Dato : 23-04-01 16:19

"Martin Højriis Kristensen" <hoejriis@sletdetteiname.com> wrote:

> Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at være
> ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.
> Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på

Joakim har gerne villet have den ufiltreret - vi andre har ikke.

Stemningen er mest til at smide filtre på.

--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"Respect is fine, but actually I've always wanted to be feared."

Martin Højriis Krist~ (23-04-2001)
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Dato : 23-04-01 16:26

"Sonny T. Larsen" <sonny@unix.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:9c1h53$2rh9$1@tnews.inet.tele.dk...
> > Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at
være
> > ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.
> > Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på
> Joakim har gerne villet have den ufiltreret - vi andre har ikke.

Netop

> Stemningen er mest til at smide filtre på.

Glimrende

--
Med Venlig Hilsen

Martin Højriis Kristensen
Svar bedes baseret på RFC1855
Jeg repræsenterer med denne udtalelse mig selv og ikke TDC Internet



Michael Lyngbøl (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Michael Lyngbøl


Dato : 23-04-01 17:03

On 23 Apr 2001 15:18:59 GMT, Sonny T. Larsen wrote:
>
>> Jeg skal absolut gøre forsøget, men hele tnews' begrundelse var jo at være
>> ufiltreret, ihvertfald i starten og fra officielt hold.
>> Men jeg vil også gerne have de filtre på
>
> Joakim har gerne villet have den ufiltreret - vi andre har ikke.

Hvem bestemmer?

> Stemningen er mest til at smide filtre på.

Filtrer svinet. Hvad er det smarte ved at tillade binære ting i
ikke-binære grupper, cross-posts i 10 grupper, HTML-indlæg etc.?

--
Michael Lyngbøl -- Opinions are mine[TM];
CBR 600F

Søren Boll Overgaard (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Søren Boll Overgaard


Dato : 23-04-01 17:07

On 23 Apr 2001 16:03:19 GMT, Michael Lyngbøl wrote:

> Filtrer svinet. Hvad er det smarte ved at tillade binære ting i
> ikke-binære grupper, cross-posts i 10 grupper, HTML-indlæg etc.?

I en intern tdc-gruppe mumles der om at man af testmæssige grunde(?), gerne
vil have et ufiltreret feed.
Hvad tests så har at gøre med produktions-news kan vel så diskuteres.

--
Søren O.

Bedøm din edbforhandler på http://edbforhandlere.dk/

Michael Lyngbøl (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Michael Lyngbøl


Dato : 23-04-01 17:09

On 23 Apr 2001 16:06:36 GMT, Søren Boll Overgaard wrote:
>
>> Filtrer svinet. Hvad er det smarte ved at tillade binære ting i
>> ikke-binære grupper, cross-posts i 10 grupper, HTML-indlæg etc.?
>
> I en intern tdc-gruppe mumles der om at man af testmæssige grunde(?), gerne
> vil have et ufiltreret feed.

Barry har vel de første 10 testboxe flydende rundt omkring?

--
Michael Lyngbøl -- Opinions are mine[TM];
CBR 600F

Sonny T. Larsen (23-04-2001)
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Dato : 23-04-01 21:57

Søren Boll Overgaard <boll@fw1.dk> wrote:

> I en intern tdc-gruppe mumles der om at man af testmæssige grunde(?), gerne
> vil have et ufiltreret feed.

Jeps - tnews er blot ikke stedet.

--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"Tell me again how lucky I am to be working here - I keep forgetting."

Sonny T. Larsen (23-04-2001)
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Fra : Sonny T. Larsen


Dato : 23-04-01 21:58

Michael Lyngbøl <lyngbol@c.dk> wrote:

> Hvem bestemmer?

Chrille & jeg vinder uden tvivl, vi har blot ikke rigtigt tid til selv
at rode med det lige nu.

--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"I was wasted. It seemed like a good idea at the time." - Jim Morrison

BARRY BOUWSMA IS A P~ (24-04-2001)
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Dato : 24-04-01 00:59

"'lyngbol@c.dk'" <lyngbol@c.dk> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:slrn9e8kto.11i6.lyngbol@tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk...

:: > I en intern tdc-gruppe mumles der om at man af testmæssige grunde(?), gerne
:: > vil have et ufiltreret feed.
::
:: Barry har vel de første 10 testboxe flydende rundt omkring?

The two (there were only two physical machines) test boxen were
intended as full replacements for news.tele.dk. The tnews machine
was not intended as a replacement.

Unfortunately, all work on the test machines failed miserably
and they never reached the state of being production-ready.

Diseased Terminally ~ (25-04-2001)
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Dato : 25-04-01 22:49

"'sonny@unix.dk'" <sonny@unix.dk> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:9c3eba$1ess$2@tnews.inet.tele.dk...

:: > Oh great. So news administration is now a tyranny of the majority?
::
:: No, a tyranny of the two largest admins

Hah. MY beerbelly can beat up YOUR raw-meat-belly. And besides,
to go along with my beerbelly, I've got TITS now. BEAT THAT!!!
If you can.


:: > Gads, am I glad not to be doing that any more.
::
:: Odd thing - I'm sorry you're not.

That I find really difficult to believe. I don't know why, and I
am not sure I'd really like to find out, for fear that it will
unearth painful memories that I've tried to bury and forget.

Maybe you should look at it on the scale of Productivity, which
is the thing that matters in today's E-Business World. Take a
matchbook and write down everything that I accomplished in my
eight months of employment as News Administraitor. Done? Good.
Now go out to the kitchen and grab a few rolls of paper towels.
Now start to write on them all that has been accomplished in
the last four months. Quite a lot, huh? Oh, run out of paper
towels already? Maybe there's an old bedsheet in the guest room
or something you can continue on.

See? A *lot* more has been accomplished by someone else in half
the time it took me to do, well, pretty much nothing. Not very
impressive, is it?

So then, why is it you want me to be ``doing'' news and getting
nothing useful done? Inconveniencing customers? Driving away
readers? Doing little more than causing trouble? Remember,
TDC had the reputation as danmarks daarligste nyhedsservice at
the end of last year, before someone stepped in to clean up the
mess.

I think in a couple months, you'll have completely forgotten all
about me, assuming you haven't already. Or perhaps you'll be
remembering me when you burst out WHAT THE F... WAS THAT R.VH.L
DOING when it comes time to disassemble the house of cards that
shovels news around and replace it with something simpler and
logical and which actually works for a change.

Think of what I could have been doing the last year and a half
rather than twiddling my thumbs -- working at some media service
in the south and creating a product that people can use and
enjoy. Shoveling snow in the alps. Teaching my ex-grillfiend's
son how to cuss in english. Adding years to my life instead of
losing them, trying the thousands of beers that I have yet to
discover. And you want me to be doing news?

Feh, I say. Feh, pure and simple. Unadulterated whole-grain feh.

Sonny T. Larsen (25-04-2001)
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Dato : 25-04-01 21:11

Diseased Terminally Ill Hideously Deformed Decomposed Decaying Disintegrated
Festering Pustulant Malignant Meow <meow@meow.meow> wrote:

> Hah. MY beerbelly can beat up YOUR raw-meat-belly. And besides,
> to go along with my beerbelly, I've got TITS now. BEAT THAT!!!

I'd rather not

> Think of what I could have been doing the last year and a half
> rather than twiddling my thumbs -- working at some media service
> in the south and creating a product that people can use and
> enjoy. Shoveling snow in the alps. Teaching my ex-grillfiend's
> son how to cuss in english. Adding years to my life instead of
> losing them, trying the thousands of beers that I have yet to
> discover. And you want me to be doing news?

Stay in DK, get a life - sample beers.

--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"I was wasted. It seemed like a good idea at the time." - Jim Morrison

Christian Andersen (25-04-2001)
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Fra : Christian Andersen


Dato : 25-04-01 22:30

Sonny T. Larsen taught me all about sex, drugs and this:

>Diseased Terminally Ill Hideously Deformed Decomposed Decaying Disintegrated
>Festering Pustulant Malignant Meow <meow@meow.meow> wrote:

>> Think of what I could have been doing the last year and a half
>> rather than twiddling my thumbs -- working at some media service
>> in the south and creating a product that people can use and
>> enjoy. Shoveling snow in the alps. Teaching my ex-grillfiend's
>> son how to cuss in english. Adding years to my life instead of
>> losing them, trying the thousands of beers that I have yet to
>> discover. And you want me to be doing news?

>Stay in DK, get a life - sample beers.

Pick up chicks...

--
Mvh, Christian

Bliv fri for spam! - http://www.sneakemail.com

Foul Putrid Explosiv~ (29-04-2001)
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Dato : 29-04-01 03:28

"'nfgj3l001@sneakemail.com'" <nfgj3l001@sneakemail.com> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:regeetoamdk95s1aaqbqijt328bshlfa2f@tnews.inet.tele.dk...

:: >Stay in DK [...]
:: Pick up chicks...

Not possible. The cultural difference is simply too huge, and
it far outweighs the relative lack of language gap that I've had
to overcome in other lands. And the age gap is formidable. What
self-respecting danish early-teen chyk would want to have anything
to do with a balding, overweight, senile, impotent, drunken, with
TITS, surly, unwashed, slovenly, greying, unemployable, trash-
digging, unshaven, stringy-haired, disgusting, dog-hating, foul-
mouthed, ill-tempered, misogynist, beer-bellied, drug-addled,
disrespectful, greasy, stalking, rapist, convicted pedophile,
controlled-substance-trafficking, homeless, alcoholic, terrorist,
autistic, rag-wearing, hairy-backed, gimp, troll-like gnome with
no redeeming qualities such as myself, more than four times her
age? What danish babe would be interested in such a loser when
she could have her pick from thousands of good-looking handsome
strong rugged danish male rugmunchers who would gladly keep her
happy without the difficulties some immigrant has to go through?

And any danish grrrl who might share my interests certainly has
left danmark a long time ago. The ones who remain, well, I can
count on my fingers the ones I might have been interested in;
both hands only if I include those I've seen in passing, never
to be seen again. Mix that with the stats that 99% of danes
are heavy smokers, and where does that leave me? Right. The
one remaining is a militant radical lesbian.

Lars Kyndi Laursen (29-04-2001)
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Dato : 29-04-01 01:54

On 29 apr 2001 Foul Putrid Explosive Diseased Highly-Contagious Terminally
Ill Hideously Deformed Decomposed Decaying Disintegrated Festering Rancid
Suppurating Mouldering Malignant Meow uttered some barely human sounds
which I was able to translate into
<82295041F393D20.101582894C021@microsoft.com>:

> What self-respecting danish early-teen chyk would want to have anything
> to do with a balding, overweight, senile, impotent, drunken, with TITS,
> surly, unwashed, slovenly, greying, unemployable, trash- digging,
> unshaven, stringy-haired, disgusting, dog-hating, foul- mouthed,
> ill-tempered, misogynist, beer-bellied, drug-addled, disrespectful,
> greasy, stalking, rapist, convicted pedophile,
> controlled-substance-trafficking, homeless, alcoholic, terrorist,
> autistic, rag-wearing, hairy-backed, gimp, troll-like gnome with no
> redeeming qualities such as myself, more than four times her age?

You're not balding, as far as I recall.

--
Lars Kyndi Laursen
Ikke-repræsenterende som altid

Tyrael: "Not your fault. Tell me, Marius. How was it not your fault?"

Christian Andersen (30-04-2001)
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Fra : Christian Andersen


Dato : 30-04-01 10:02

Foul Putrid Explosive Diseased Highly-Contagious Terminally Ill
Hideously Deformed Decomposed Decaying Disintegrated Festering Rancid
Suppurating Mouldering Malignant Meow taught me all about sex, drugs
and this:

>"'nfgj3l001@sneakemail.com'" <nfgj3l001@sneakemail.com> schrieb in im
>Newsbeitrag:regeetoamdk95s1aaqbqijt328bshlfa2f@tnews.inet.tele.dk...
>
>:: >Stay in DK [...]
>:: Pick up chicks...
>
>Not possible.

<snip>

>What
>self-respecting danish early-teen chyk would want to have anything
>to do with a balding, overweight, senile, impotent, drunken, with
>TITS, surly, unwashed, slovenly, greying, unemployable, trash-
>digging, unshaven, stringy-haired, disgusting, dog-hating, foul-
>mouthed, ill-tempered, misogynist, beer-bellied, drug-addled,
>disrespectful, greasy, stalking, rapist, convicted pedophile,
>controlled-substance-trafficking, homeless, alcoholic, terrorist,
>autistic, rag-wearing, hairy-backed, gimp, troll-like gnome with
>no redeeming qualities such as myself, more than four times her
>age?

Wow. My english is improving. I only had to look up 'misogynist'.

--
Mvh, Christian

Bliv fri for spam! - http://www.sneakemail.com

Foul Putrid Explosiv~ (01-05-2001)
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Dato : 01-05-01 08:58

"'sonny@unix.dk'" <sonny@unix.dk> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:9c7b1c$244p$2@tnews.inet.tele.dk...

:: > discover. And you want me to be doing news?
:: Stay in DK, get a life - sample beers.

EXCUSE ME??!? It's blindingly clear that neither the government,
any company, nor the danish population has any interest in having
me stay in danmark. And if that's what they want, why should I
bother fighting against the flow and trying for the sixth time in
three years to be allowed to stay in danmark, for an average of
two months at a time, after six months to a year of uncertainty
where I can't plan anything? Enough is enough, I say. Enough.

Anyway, my definition of what constitutes `get[ting] a life' does
not include much of danmark. Come to think of it, when I remember
all the things I'd be doing when I felt that I Had a Life, none
of them were things that were available in danmark. The few things
that one might think positively about in dk as part of the whole of
Having a Life are outweighed by the negative aspects of them --
I'll gladly take the less ubiquitous cycling facilities to the
south in order to avoid the broken glass, sand, dirt, and trash
that litter the paths here, because those in the south are much
cleaner and more enjoyable, even if I am fighting the auto.

I know this is difficult for many people to understand. I too am
guilty of this -- I expect that because I enjoy many things about
the south that one doesn't have in danmark, that everybody else
would feel the same. It took two things for me to change my idea
about this -- first, finding out that no, danish people simply
are not attracted by the same things I am and they're as eager to
return to danmark as I am to escape. And secondly, being in a
state where I do *not* enjoy myself but others are completely
satisfied where they are. Looking at things from a different
point of view, so to say, opening my eyes to these things.

The thing is that a lot of things which are so important to people
here, simply don't matter to me, or more correctly, I feel that
way about different things. Take the beach. Water is in the danish
blood. But I don't care if the nearest beach is hundreds of km
distant -- the way many danes feel about water is the way that I
feel about rich green forests. Seeing how yesterday's mid-20s
temperatures to the south has suddenly brought forth the leaves
on the trees is something that tells me what I need to be doing,
not walking along the shoreline, but slashing my way through
thick growths of green stuff.

Or the weather. You know it's bad for my health, I haven't yet
kicked the pneumonia that I caught three or months ago that I
seem to catch the end of every winter. You like it cold. I do
not. I'm desperate to get where it's approaching 30C with clear
sunny skies. I need that weather. Other people would choose
to avoid that weather, which I can't understand anymore than you
can sympathise for my need of skies with sunlight, a lack of
rain, and warmth to clean out my skin and open up that ugly lump
on my jaw that you wondered about whether it was cancerous.

Face it. We're different. I don't belong here in danmark, and
while I might try to get people I've met here to travel to the
south, so I can share with them the sort of things I *do* like,
I've finally realized this simply doesn't interest other people,
no more than my grillfiend was interested to travel over the
border from Schweiz to Austria to enjoy that -- it simply was
not a part of her life and had no appeal to her.

Don't you think it's wrong that there is no interest up here in
the things I'm interested in? That I've made plenty of friends
in der schweiz, in austria, and in deutschland because of the
radio interest I've had, and that to do anything with this
interest, I have to reach over the border to the UK, to Hessen,
to Wien, to Bayern, to Suisse, to Paris, in order to hold onto
my interests? Remember that I applied to work on a streaming
project for radio here, and that TDC has no interest in that
project, just like I have no interest in news. Kinda stupid
for me to be someplace I can't do what I want to, instead of
going somewhere esle to do what I want, no?

I really don't know what you mean when you say `get a life'.
To me, that's mutually exclusive with staying in danmark. I
had been willing to sacrifice the idea of Having a Life so
that I could take a job, since so far I've always had to choose
between having a decent job with the rest of my life being
miserable, or being out of work but having the rest of my life
go well. I'll do that if needed in order to live, but when I
can't even get permission to work without having someone flip
me the bird every time, then it's time to give up and search
for something new, possibly even Having a Life in the process.
Or instead. I'm not picky.

That's what I'm talking about as an insurmountable cultural
difference. My idea of a Life is not yours. I haven't met
any dane who shares my idea of a Life. You wouldn't be
happy doing what I was doing two years ago at this time, but
hey, we're different. Nothing wrong with that. What would
be wrong is for me to insist that you spend your time in the
sunny south, hiking through alpine fields, cycling along
waterways, camping out in gentle pine forests, exploring old
towns, picnicking on alpine cheeses and rich breads washed
down with heavy dark beers, sweating like a mother, partying
at outdoor raves, and meeting other people doing the same.
No. That's part of My Life. And it includes no internet
access either.

And you say I should sample beers. You know there are only
17 breweries in all of danmark? And in my first month here
many years back, I sampled as many as I could find, only to
realize that my taste was not satisfied by most of them?
Compare that with, say, Austria, with some 108 breweries,
many of which I've tried, and all of which are dissimilar
to any danish beer. Or the tens of thousands of breweries
throughout all of germany. Beers that you have to travel
to find, since they only travel a few dozen km from the
brewery, if at all. Beers that I've found are much closer
to my taste. Beers that I can't sample if I'm stuck way up
in danmark with no hope of escape. Beers that are a way of
life, rather than a way to escape from life. Broken beer
bottles in Bayern? Bah.

Sorry. No thank you. Getting a Life sounds good. But it
conflicts greatly with staying in danmark. And only a fool
would want to stay in danmark after all I've been through.
You have seen the news items I've sent you about IT work
in other countries, no? Okay, so the Austrians are not
really with the program, with their FPOe as xenophobic as
the danes, but if germany is saying that it's bullshit to
expect skilled employees to go through paperwork and hoops
for a five-year stay, that germany is also saying is far
too short, that's a much better attitude than I've had to
fight up here. Sure, I don't fit in nazi-land any better
than I do up here, but at least I'll have a different set
of obstacles in my way.

When I've had zero success in getting people to partake in
sharing the FREE BEER and cheese from the deep south, is
it not better that I seek out people who *do* share the
interests I have, rather than continuing to bang my head
against walls, knowing that I'm not getting anywhere?

I have this vague feeling that this post is more on-topic
in dk.politik.indvandring than here, so FUT there.

Of course, I could be homesick.

Martin Edlich (01-05-2001)
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Fra : Martin Edlich


Dato : 01-05-01 10:59

In article <3D341037664B3B2.57722910FE479@microsoft.com>,
Foul Putrid Explosive Diseased Highly-Contagious Terminally Ill
Hideously Deformed Decomposed Damaged Decaying Disintegrated Festering
Rancid Suppurating Mouldering Malignant Meow <meow@meow.meow> wrote:

> Looking at things from a different point of view

Shouldn't that be "pint of view"?

--
MVH
Martin Edlich, MF (MegaFar)

Henvendelser til min e-mail adresse vil blive besvaret kort, men uhøfligt
(medmindre jeg selv er ude om det, og det er Off Topic).

Bjørn Jørvad (01-05-2001)
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Fra : Bjørn Jørvad


Dato : 01-05-01 12:14


"Foul Putrid Explosive Diseased Highly-Contagious Terminally Ill Hideously
Deformed Decomposed Damaged Decaying Disintegrated Festering Rancid
Suppurating Mouldering Malignant Meow" <meow@meow.meow> skrev i en
meddelelse news:3D341037664B3B2.57722910FE479@microsoft.com...

KLIP

> Of course, I could be homesick.

With all the things you want to do for and with your life - Get a grip at
your balls and jump to open your own businnes and be an independant.

The business/company can be where ever you like and you can do what ever you
want as long as you are making money.

As an employee, you will *never* be able to fullfill your
dreams/expectations/hopes.

regards
Bjørn



John Hinge (01-05-2001)
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Fra : John Hinge


Dato : 01-05-01 11:51

Foul Putrid Explosive Diseased Highly-Contagious Terminally Ill
Hideously Deformed Decomposed Damaged Decaying Disintegrated Festering
Rancid Suppurating Mouldering Malignant Meow wrote:
>
> Of course, I could be homesick.

Always a sad feeling.

Still I hope you're not planning on leaving before next week.
I have a (much needed) vacation this week, but I still need
to synchronise a little giftgiving with you, from me, mr. Kyndi, and
we're kinda hoping to be able to give you this gift before you leave
seeing as it would be quite hard for us to run all over Germany to
find you..And no, the gift does not contain alarm clocks, detonators,
C4 or other such fun...


--
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On usenet I represent no one but myself.
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BARRY BOUWSMA IS A P~ (24-04-2001)
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Dato : 24-04-01 02:28

"'sonny@unix.dk'" <sonny@unix.dk> skrev i en
nyhedsmeddelelse:9c250p$1bkl$2@tnews.inet.tele.dk...

:: > Hvem bestemmer?
::
:: Chrille & jeg vinder uden tvivl, vi har blot ikke rigtigt tid til selv
:: at rode med det lige nu.

Oh great. So news administration is now a tyranny of the majority?
It was bad enough when it was a Too Many K00ks Spoil The Broth thing
and I'd discover all these things that were done wrong (read: not
the way I'd do them) that I had no idea about, or changes made with
no mention to me about them.

Gads, am I glad not to be doing that any more.

This goes back to my unsent message where I would have posited that
the title of newsadmin should fall on one person who is responsible
for making decisions and implementing policies, rather than the
chaos that has always resulted in situations I've been in when too
many people are doing this independently.


:: "I was wasted. It seemed like a good idea at the time."

Ignorance of the law and the side-effects of what you ingested are
no excuse. Well, not that much. Although I could be bribed into
making an exception in your case.

Sonny T. Larsen (24-04-2001)
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Fra : Sonny T. Larsen


Dato : 24-04-01 09:43

BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PEDOPHILE!!! <pedophile@pedophile.pedophile> wrote:

> Oh great. So news administration is now a tyranny of the majority?

No, a tyranny of the two largest admins

> Gads, am I glad not to be doing that any more.

Odd thing - I'm sorry you're not.

> :: "I was wasted. It seemed like a good idea at the time."

> Ignorance of the law and the side-effects of what you ingested are
> no excuse. Well, not that much. Although I could be bribed into
> making an exception in your case.

Bwahahaha - well, ok.

--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." - Russell

John Hinge (24-04-2001)
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Fra : John Hinge


Dato : 24-04-01 10:06

"Sonny T. Larsen" wrote:
>
> BARRY BOUWSMA IS A PEDOPHILE!!! <pedophile@pedophile.pedophile> wrote:
>
> > Oh great. So news administration is now a tyranny of the majority?
>
> No, a tyranny of the two largest admins
>

Survival of the bofh'est ? :)

> > Gads, am I glad not to be doing that any more.
>
> Odd thing - I'm sorry you're not.
>

subscirbe


--
John Hinge
grrrrrrrrr.. coming along nicely

Sonny T. Larsen (24-04-2001)
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Fra : Sonny T. Larsen


Dato : 24-04-01 10:23

John Hinge <shayera_gimmenospam_@cutey.com> wrote:

> Survival of the bofh'est ? :)

Indeed.
--
/Sonny - #include <std.disclaimer.h>

"Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." - Russell

N/A (01-05-2001)
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Dato : 01-05-01 12:14



Foul Filthy Festerin~ (05-05-2001)
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Fra : Foul Filthy Festerin~


Dato : 05-05-01 14:45

"'ursusmajor@post3.tele.dk'" <ursusmajor@post3.tele.dk> schrieb in im
Newsbeitrag:9cm5pd$4mh$1@news.inet.tele.dk...

:: With all the things you want to do for and with your life - Get a grip at
:: your balls and jump to open your own businnes and be an independant.
:: The business/company can be where ever you like and you can do what ever you
:: want as long as you are making money.

Actually, it can't. My ability to be where I want, is totally dependent
on finding, if you will, a `sponsor' who will go through the work to
get me a residence permit for wherever. If you look at the danish law,
I can only be here for as long as some company hires me for work that
they are unable to find a suitably qualified danish person to do.

If I don't have a danish company employing me, it's next to impossible
for me to get a permit to stay in danmark, if I wanted that, and if I
were to get such a permit, I would be very limited in what I could do.
As a non-scandinavian, I'm essentially a non-person.

Other countries, while somewhat different, are generally the same, in
that there is nowhere in europe where I could just settle down and
start a business. All the people I know who have done this have some
excuse that I don't, such as already being a european resident, or
being automatically eligible for a residency in a country by their
heritage.

The only place I could do this, is a place that I know quite a few
danes would gladly choose to live, which is in the US. But I have
less interest in that than I do in, say, staying in danmark.


:: As an employee, you will *never* be able to fullfill your
:: dreams/expectations/hopes.

But if being an employee is a compromise I must make to stand any
chance of being somewhere that I *do* want to be, thanks to laws
that prevent me from doing any better, then maybe it's something I
have to make the best of, by finding an employer that offers the
opportunities I can use, the resources I need, in a place where I
enjoy being. Maybe even with an interesting job.

Of course, I could be a crime-bringing immigrant, threatening those
innocent danish grrrlz with my inherent criminality and lawlessness.

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