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The misrepresentation of the medieval Chri~
Fra : M Winther


Dato : 23-11-11 11:07

The Christian message of love has been misinterpreted. Today, it is
defined as Christian charity, according to which the poor people of
the world must be sustained at all costs. For example, I found this
interpretation on the net: "Christian love is giving to others those
things that you would want them to give you if you were in their
situation - and it's doing so even if they can't pay you back."
Obviously, then, it revolves around money and material assets. The
message has developed into an ideology centering on materialism and
global welfare, thus turning the spiritual content of the message into
its very opposite.

But what does Christian love really mean? Around the first century a
modern way of sustaining the ego and psychological wholeness began to
surface, that is, the new psychic economy of the individual. A new
source for psychic energy (libido), symbolized by the Christ, appeared
in the earthly realm. In that era, the ancient economy of
'scapegoatism' was challenged by a modern relation, termed 'agape',
defined as the self-sacrificing love of God for humanity. Prior to
this, in pre-Christian cultures, scapegoating was the ruling
principle. It was institutionalized in different forms, often
involving sacrifice, when "sin" was transferred to the sacrificial
victim. Sin is what causes devitalization, loss of ego wholeness and
health. It was regarded as wholesome to wash away this malignant
metaphysical substance, and it had an immediate therapeutical effect.
Among the Maya, an old woman was selected. People whispered their sins
to stones, whereupon they threw the stones on the woman until she
died. Still today, the principle of 'sin transference' is what
underlies mobbing and many forms of victimization.

Following the Christian paradigm shift, the sins of humanity are
carried by the Christ ("Jesus gave his life for our sins" - Galatians
1:4)). A modern psychic economy took over that draws on a different
energy source ("I can do all things through Christ who strengthens
me" - Philippians 4:13)). It is the inner life-flame, the spiritual
principle of love, which Paul identifies with the Christ ("Christ
liveth in me" - Galatians 2). However, the archaic psychic economy of
maintaining "ego wholeness" still persists in the modern world. It
obtains in morally inferior individuals, immature individuals, and in
ethnic groups that lack a Christian phase in their history,
corresponding to the European Middle Ages. Mass-immigration of ethnic
groups belonging to the 'phallic-narcissistic' cultural sphere,
together with the ongoing secularization process, contribute to the
resurgence of pre-Christian scapegoatism. A phallic-narcissistic
economy implies that the ego territory must ever be expanded, its
borders always defended, and personal shortcomings must be blamed on
others, by way of transfer of sin.

The Christian message of love refers to a psychic capacity of living
in sympathy with the surrounding, drawing on an inner spiritual flame,
a sense of wholeness that goes beyond the ego. Therefore, today's
naive and vulgar notion of Christian love as "helping the poor" fails
its purpose, as it merely contributes to materialism and welfarism.
Helping the poor people of the world is worthwhile when it originates
in the heart, but if it derives from an abstract moral principle, then
it will in the end have destructive and evil consequences. Has good
living circumstances ever helped people to find God? No, it's the
other way round, and that's why poverty and a frugal lifestyle has
always been an ideal in Christianity.

When modern Christians forget about the real meaning of Christian
love, the spiritual flame in the soul of the individual will
eventually die down, resulting in a regress. Christian love was
originally defined as the love of God, a spiritual awareness that
keeps the inner flame burning. Thus, an energy source is maintained
which makes the individual wholly independent of the narcissistic
strategy of ego wholeness and scapegoatism. This, in itself, has a
salutary effect on the surrounding, while the individual has lost the
impetus of egotism, and instead radiates 'grace', albeit wholly
unconsciously. This is the proper Christian way of "doing good" - to
avoid being destructive, and unknowingly to radiate grace. It must not
be replaced with the simplistic and vulgar notion of giving material
assets to people in need, thus transforming a living spirit into a
dead automatic principle of welfarism. If material charity is not
rooted in the heart, then it is false and hypocritical. In such case
there is no essential difference between the Christian person and the
Socialist or Communist politician.

A central tenet in esoteric Christianity is that the mystic does good
inadvertently and unconsciously by following the path of
contemplation. Divine sanction emits from him where he walks. I
believe it is true. Introspective Christians do much more good than
the "Communist" welfare workers. The worldly allure is today stronger
than ever. In the middle of this widespread profaneness the "welfare
Christians" appear and, as if it wasn't enough, they add yet another
worldly allure, namely to devote your life to the increase of material
welfare among the needy. This modern innovation is the worst of all
because it is harder to see through than a lifestyle of opulence. It
is a clever trick of the devil.

It is true that the personality that has transcended the stage of
ego-wholeness, pertaining to the narcissistic economy, has no longer
any need to control his/her environment in defense of the frail ego.
Central to this notion is that Christ resides within us. This
generates a completely different psychological dynamic, and the
transfer of sin to the environment is closed out. The following lines
are fetched from my essay
http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/terror.htm :

"One can discuss this phenomenon drawing on the following dream,
recounted by a smallholder's wife who lived a strenuous life. In the
dream, she was on her way to her usual burdensome work in the field
when she suddenly became aware that Jesus walked by her side in
ankle-length garment. She was not able to turn her head and look at
Him, but Jesus worked with her all day in the field, and she felt
quite happy and at peace. The woman recounted that this dream had
helped her many times during all days of hard toil under the hot sun
(Cf. Hillerdal, 1983, p. 74).

The strenuous life of this small farmer was taking its toll and she
began having feelings of discontent. This is the sin that is poisoning
the wholeness of her life, and gradually causes psychological death
("The sting of death is sin"). Had it been a typical modern marriage
she would have transferred this quota of sin to her spouse, ultimately
leading to the "expulsion" of her husband. Of course, if her training,
or her cultural context, had sustained some form of institutionalised
scapegoating principle, she could have transferred sin to 'the Jews,'
or 'the Patriarchate,' or whatever. But here appears a different
unconscious motif, which cancels out the traditional 'transfer of sin'
motif. Jesus appears and takes the yoke upon himself..."

Mats Winther



 
 
Ac. Abhidevananda Av~ (23-11-2011)
Kommentar
Fra : Ac. Abhidevananda Av~


Dato : 23-11-11 19:56

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:06:50 +0100, "M Winther" <mlwi@swipnet.se>
wrote:

>The Christian message of love has been misinterpreted. Today, it is
>defined as Christian charity, according to which the poor people of
>the world must be sustained at all costs. For example, I found this
>interpretation on the net: "Christian love is giving to others those
>things that you would want them to give you if you were in their
>situation - and it's doing so even if they can't pay you back."
>Obviously, then, it revolves around money and material assets. The
>message has developed into an ideology centering on materialism and
>global welfare, thus turning the spiritual content of the message into
>its very opposite.
>
>But what does Christian love really mean? Around the first century...

Mats, why do you want to start at the first century? Why not start
with the philosophical forebears of Jesus, notably Hillel the Elder,
who lived and taught in Jerusalem just prior to Jesus. I think there
can be no doubt that Hillel influenced Jesus's thinking.

For example, Hillel proclaimed the ethic of reciprocity (or Golden
Rule) in an oft-told incident wherein a skeptic asked Hillel to teach
him the entire Torah while he stood on one foot. Hillel's response
was: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is
the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn." Hillel
also taught universal charity. He said: "Whosoever saves a life, it is
considered as if he saved the entire world."

So, Mats, before getting into the rest of what you wrote, could you
please clarify for me what we would be discussing. Are you asserting
that "medieval Christianity" represents "the real meaning of Christian
love"? If so, then do you talk about a Christianity that is largely
pagan or at least divorced from its source, the Jew Jesus, who lived
at the beginning of the Common Era?

Also, FWIW, though I have not seen the website that you quote from
above, I do not think that the quotation you present is necessarily
restricted to money and material assets. The statement sounds like a
minor adaptation of Jesus's inversion of Hillel's Golden Rule. This
adaptation could apply to intangibles like sympathy or respect. But if
we look at what Jesus himself said, it is clear that - though he
personally seemed to like hanging out with rich people - he preached
with a degree of disdain for money. Not only would he give monetary
charity to the poor, he would give monetary charity to the rich. :)

______________________________________________________________________
15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle
him in his talk.

16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians,
saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of
God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not
the person of men.

17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute
unto Caesar, or not?

18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye
hypocrites?

19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.

20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?

21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render
therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's.

Matthew 22:15-21 KJV
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

N/A (24-11-2011)
Kommentar
Fra : N/A


Dato : 24-11-11 22:05



Jantero (24-11-2011)
Kommentar
Fra : Jantero


Dato : 24-11-11 22:05

On 11/24/2011 2:13 AM, M Winther wrote:

>USA receives approximately
> 1 million immigrants per year from the Third World for the "Christian"
> purpose of reducing poverty in the world.

Most of the immigrants, legal or otherwise, coming into the US, wind up
doing grinding jobs that Americans don't want to do, and they get paid
low wages with little support if they get injured or sick.

Many of them are kept in a legal no man's land where predators can prey
on them.

It's an amoral system designed to keep costs down.

To a large extent, the Christian myth is hypocritical and dishonest --
consistent with how many immigrants are treated.








>
> "Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs",
> presented by Roy Beck:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
>
> "Immigration by the numbers", part 1,
> presented by Roy Beck:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyTmClBU7nA
>
> "Immigration By the Numbers - Part 2 of 2",
> presented by Roy Beck:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PpaoZE8oXk
>
> Mats
>
>


Andreas Falck (24-11-2011)
Kommentar
Fra : Andreas Falck


Dato : 24-11-11 22:16



Jantero skrev i
news:jambil$59f$1@dont-email.me

> On 11/24/2011 2:13 AM, M Winther wrote:
>
>> USA receives approximately
>> 1 million immigrants per year from the Third World for the "Christian"
>> purpose of reducing poverty in the world.
>
> Most of the immigrants, legal or otherwise, coming into the US, wind up
> doing grinding jobs that Americans don't want to do, and they get paid
> low wages with little support if they get injured or sick.
>
> Many of them are kept in a legal no man's land where predators can prey
> on them.
>
> It's an amoral system designed to keep costs down.
>
> To a large extent, the Christian myth is hypocritical and dishonest --
> consistent with how many immigrants are treated.

Endnu en ateistisk ignorant der i ateismens hellige navn mener at have ret
til at forvanske og fordreje alt.


Jantero (24-11-2011)
Kommentar
Fra : Jantero


Dato : 24-11-11 23:22

On 11/24/2011 2:15 PM, Andreas Falck wrote:
>
> Endnu en ateistisk ignorant der i ateismens hellige navn mener at have
> ret til at forvanske og fordreje alt.


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