On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:35:19 +0100, "KL" <bfodsdy@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>"Martin Andersen" <dur@ikke.nu> wrote in message
>news:4eac63b1$0$287$14726298@news.sunsite.dk...
>> On 29-10-2011 17:34, Dieter Britz wrote:
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>>> Mere vrøvl. Intet sted som jeg har kunnet finde står der i biblen at
>>> det hele gik i gang 4500 år siden. Resten er talmassage for at få det
>>> til at passe. Disse forsøg på, at det vage der står i biblen beviser det
>>> ene eller andet helt akkurat, er patetiske.
>>>
>> Og mennesket tæmmede ulven, fremavlede majs og fremstillede værktøj for længere
>> tid siden end kreationister siger jorden har eksisteret.
>>
>Sådan siger man jo, hvilket altid vil være en påstand, farvet af ens
>verdensbillede.
Nu er jeg ikke bange for alternative teorier, og er da også helt med
på at det fysiske univers og naturen er skabt (ID). Men den med at det
hele skulle være startet for nogle få tusind år siden kan jeg ikke få
til at give mening i nogen som helst sammenhæng.
Mængden af evidens for dette synes jeg da også er temmelig ringe. Den
om saltmængden i havet f.ex. kunne let forklares via Kervran's
temmelig veldokumenterede teori om biologisk transmutation (lav-energi
transmutation), hvor stofskiftet hos dyr, planter og bakterier
tilsyneladende er i stand til at omdanne grundstoffer til andre
grundstoffer, og altså dermed ad den vej kunne rokere rundt på
indholdet af de forskellige mineraler efter behov. Citat:
"In France, Freundler, lecturer at the Sorbonne (Faculté des Sciences
de Paris) established in 1925 that iodine is created by algae
(laminaria) and not - as has always been believed and is still taught
today - by the algae fixing the iodine which is in the sea. A French
geologist, A. de Cailleux, has, in addition, written that there is not
a trace of iodine in the pre-Cambrian rocks which have remained
unimpaired in their place: that being so, where does the iodine which
is found in the earth later, come from? (Added to that, where do
the immense masses of calcium come from found in the secondary epoch,
if not, as in the primary, essentially from the siliceous
rocks?)
One could go on indefinitely quoting such observations which are
abnormal from the chemical point of view. Chemistry is only the
exchange between atoms of peripheral electrons. Why does nature make
no use of the rest of the atom, above all the nucleus, where
almost all the matter is found? No explanation of this was to be
found. Freundler came nearest to it. (Von Herzeele had not been able
to divine the mechanism, for at that time the nature of the atom was
unknown.) But the works of Freundler came rather too soon. The
neutron was not discovered until 1932, so that before then there was
inevitably an incoherent element in the explanations."
"Shell formation in crustacea was a mystery - in fact, several
mysteries. It was said, quite definitely, that the animal "fixed" the
lime in sea-water, always the same explanation without proof but
specialists who studied the phenomenon remained perplexed.
One day my young grandson brought me a crab which had cast off its
shell for it had just moulted. It was a soft mass, and to keep it
alive it was put in a basin of salt water. The following day it
already had a firmer shell which was completed a day later. In thirty
hours, a crab can form its shell which, if approximately 17 x 10 cm
will weigh about 350 g. This total weight of fresh shell includes
claws, partitions and water in joints. The amount of lime in sea-water
is quite low, on average 0.042% Ca. The crustacean renewing its shell
cannot obtain lime from other marine animals, in its vulnerable state
it hides and does not search for food. Analysis of the animal's body
has shown that only the hepatopancreas stores a little lime before the
moult, but its shell contains 40 times more lime than this organ -
Well then?
We have seen that magnesium (and potassium) present in sea-water (0.5%
magnesium and 0.05% potassium salts) can give calcium, and it is
essentially magnesium which is utilised by crustacea for making their
shells. (We neglect Si because sea water contains little: 0.0001 %).
At the Marine Biological Laboratory at Roscoff, a sea crayfish was
placed in a tank of sea-water from which all lime had been removed by
precipitation, and the animal formed its shell just the same.
The study of histological cuts from animals during shell secretion has
shown that lime is formed on the external surface of a membrane where
chemical analysis finds Ca. On the other, internal surface, the side
for entry of matter, there is no lime. This fact has puzzled
specialists."
http://miscfiles.net//temp/0001/BT-what_are.pdf
http://miscfiles.net//temp/0001/BT-ch5.pdf
http://miscfiles.net//temp/0001/BT-ch6.pdf
--
Rado
"Materialism is the philosophy of the subject that forgets
to take account of itself." - Arthur Schopenhauer