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Erdogan besøger måske Gaza
Fra : /John


Dato : 05-06-10 16:42

"Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is considering a trip to Gaza
in order to break the siege imposed on the Strip by Israel, Lebanese
newspaper al-Mustaqbal reported Saturday":

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899214,00.html

Nå.

Det ville måske være langt bedre for Tyrkiet, hvis Erdogan i stedet besøgte
sine tyrkiske kurdere...?

Blot en tanke...

John



 
 
Per Rønne (05-06-2010)
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Fra : Per Rønne


Dato : 05-06-10 19:10

/John <nogen@pladderballe.ok> wrote:

> "Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is considering a trip to Gaza
> in order to break the siege imposed on the Strip by Israel, Lebanese
> newspaper al-Mustaqbal reported Saturday":
>
> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899214,00.html
>
> Nå.
>
> Det ville måske være langt bedre for Tyrkiet, hvis Erdogan i stedet besøgte
> sine tyrkiske kurdere...?
>
> Blot en tanke...

Han er i hvert fald efterhånden langt ude ... tror han virkelig at han
kommer ind?

Vil han ind med sin flåde?
--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Per Rønne (05-06-2010)
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Fra : Per Rønne


Dato : 05-06-10 19:56

Per Rønne <per@RQNNE.invalid> wrote:

> /John <nogen@pladderballe.ok> wrote:
>
> > "Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is considering a trip to Gaza
> > in order to break the siege imposed on the Strip by Israel, Lebanese
> > newspaper al-Mustaqbal reported Saturday":
> >
> > http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899214,00.html
> >
> > NÃ¥.
> >
> > Det ville måske være langt bedre for Tyrkiet, hvis Erdogan i stedet besøgte
> > sine tyrkiske kurdere...?
> >
> > Blot en tanke...
>
> Han er i hvert fald efterhånden langt ude ... tror han virkelig at han
> kommer ind?
>
> Vil han ind med sin flåde?

Tilsyneladende:

<http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-erdogan-considerin
g-visiting-gaza-to-break-blockade-1.294326?tr=y&auid=6447633>

Drejer det sig om et tyrkisk ønske om at hjælpe til i Gaza?
Tilsyneladende ikke:

<http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/04/turkey-gaza-humanitarian-united-nation
s-opinions-columnists-claudia-rosett.html?boxes=opinionschannellatest&tr
=y&auid=6447647>

Var det i Tyrkiet blevet planlagt at »aktionen« skulle ende som den
gjorde? Tilsyneladende. Jeg citerer fra:

<http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/world/europe/05reconstruct.html?tr=y&
auid=6447696>

==
The crack of an Israeli sound grenade and a hail of rubber bullets from
above were supposed to disperse activists, but instead set them in
motion. And when three Israeli commandos slid down ropes out of
helicopters to take over the ship, a crowd set upon them.

"They ran at them without pause or hesitation," Dr. Coskun recalled.
One soldier was stabbed and two were beaten. From that moment on, the
attempted takeover turned into an armed assault, with angry Israeli
commandos opening fire. Within an hour, the commandos had taken control
of the ship, and nine Turks, including one who also had American
citizenship, were dead.

Dozens of interviews in Israel and Turkey suggest that Israel's decision
to stop the flotilla at all costs collided with the intention of a small
group of Islamic activists from Turkey, turning a raid on a ship of
protesters in international waters into a bloodbath — and a major
international event.

The activists had set sail precisely in hopes of forcing the world to
focus on Israel's blockade of Gaza, something they had sought in vain in
the past. This time they succeeded.
==

Og i Washington Post kan man se en stigende skepsis over for
Erdogan-regeringens rolle. Jeg citerer fra:

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/04/AR20100
60404806.html?tr=y&auid=6447703>:

==
WESTERN GOVERNMENTS have been right to be concerned about Israel's poor
judgment and botched execution in the raid against the Free Gaza
flotilla. But they ought to be at least as worried about the Turkish
government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, which since Monday has shown a
sympathy toward Islamic militants and a penchant for grotesque
demagoguery toward Israel that ought to be unacceptable for a member of
NATO.

On the opposite page today, Turkey's ambassador to the United States
makes the argument that Israel had no cause to clash with the "European
lawmakers, journalists, business leaders and an 86-year-old Holocaust
survivor" who were aboard the flotilla. But there was no fighting with
those people, or with five of the six boats in the fleet. All of the
violence occurred aboard the Turkish ferry Mavi Marmara, and all of
those who were killed were members or volunteers for the Islamic
"charity" that owned the ship, the Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH).
The relationship between Mr. Erdogan's government and the IHH ought to
be one focus of any international investigation into the incident. The
foundation is a member of the "Union of Good," a coalition that was
formed to provide material support to Hamas and that was named as a
terrorist entity by the United States in 2008. In discussions before the
flotilla departed, Turkish officials turned down offers from both Israel
and Egypt to deliver the "humanitarian" supplies on the boats to Gaza
and insisted Ankara could not control what it described as a
nongovernmental organization.

Yet the IHH has certainly done its best to promote Mr. Erdogan. "All the
peoples of the Islamic world would want a leader like Recep Tayyip
Erdogan," IHH chief Bulent Yildirim proclaimed at a Hamas rally in Gaza
last year. And Mr. Erdogan seems to share that notion: In the days since
an incident that the IHH admits it provoked, the Turkish prime minister
has done his best to compete with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and
Hezbollah's Hasan Nasrallah in attacking the Jewish state.
"The heart of humanity has taken one of her heaviest wounds in history,"
Mr. Erdogan claimed this week. He has had next to nothing to say about
the slaughter of Iranians protesting last year's fraudulent elections,
but he called Israel's actions "state terrorism" and a "bloody massacre"
and described Israel itself as an "adolescent, rootless state." His
foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, said in Washington on Tuesday that
"this attack is like 9/11 for Turkey" -- an obscene comparison to events
in which more than 2,900 genuinely innocent people were killed.

Mr. Erdogan's crude attempt to exploit the incident comes only a couple
of weeks after he joined Brazil's president in linking arms with Mr.
Ahmadinejad, whom he is assisting in an effort to block new U.N.
sanctions. What's remarkable about his turn toward extremism is that it
comes after more than a year of assiduous courting by the Obama
administration, which, among other things, has overlooked his
antidemocratic behavior at home, helped him combat the Kurdish PKK and
catered to Turkish sensitivities about the Armenian genocide. Israel is
suffering the consequences of its misjudgments and disregard of U.S.
interests. Will Mr. Erdogan's behavior be without cost?
=

Og her kan man se at det ikke blot er Israel og CIA der kalder IHH for
en terrororganisation; det gør USA som sådan også:

<http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp1267.htm>

Den ser ikke god ud i Ankara og Konstantinopel ...
--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Jens Bruun (05-06-2010)
Kommentar
Fra : Jens Bruun


Dato : 05-06-10 20:06

"Per Rønne" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i meddelelsen
1jjms74.1hu1y62130mecgN%per@RQNNE.invalid:

> Den ser ikke god ud i Ankara og Konstantinopel ...

Konstantinopel?

--
-Jens B.

D.e.f.f.e.s.



Per Rønne (05-06-2010)
Kommentar
Fra : Per Rønne


Dato : 05-06-10 20:36

Jens Bruun <bruun_jens@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Per Rønne" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i meddelelsen
> 1jjms74.1hu1y62130mecgN%per@RQNNE.invalid:
>
> > Den ser ikke god ud i Ankara og Konstantinopel ...
>
> Konstantinopel?

Har du ikke haft historie i skolen?

Ja, jeg ved godt at det tyrkiske /postvæsen/ [men altså ikke den
tyrkiske stat] omdøbte Nea Roma til Istanbul [fra græsk /eis ten polin/]
i 1930, ... og hvad så?

Og så er der mange der fejlagtigt tror at det allerede skete 1453, da
Romerriget endeligt faldt for de østlige barbarer
--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe

Jens Bruun (05-06-2010)
Kommentar
Fra : Jens Bruun


Dato : 05-06-10 21:01

"Per Rønne" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i meddelelsen
1jjmujv.1cv6k4a1pugrk0N%per@RQNNE.invalid:

>>> Den ser ikke god ud i Ankara og Konstantinopel ...
>>
>> Konstantinopel?
>
> Har du ikke haft historie i skolen?

Øh, jo.

> Ja, jeg ved godt at det tyrkiske /postvæsen/ [men altså ikke den
> tyrkiske stat] omdøbte Nea Roma til Istanbul [fra græsk /eis ten
> polin/] i 1930, ... og hvad så?

Så ikke noget. Konstantinopel eksisterer ikke længere. Længere er den
ikke...

--
-Jens B.

D.e.f.f.e.s.



J. Nielsen (05-06-2010)
Kommentar
Fra : J. Nielsen


Dato : 05-06-10 22:23

On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:55:46 +0200, per@RQNNE.invalid (Per Rønne) wrote:

>The crack of an Israeli sound grenade and a hail of rubber bullets from
>above were supposed to disperse activists, but instead set them in
>motion. And when three Israeli commandos slid down ropes out of
>helicopters to take over the ship, a crowd set upon them.

Måske de skulle have studeret brugsanvisningen:

http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawama/2010/06/fast-roping-101.html
--

-JN-

Patruljen (05-06-2010)
Kommentar
Fra : Patruljen


Dato : 05-06-10 15:46

On 5 Jun., 23:22, J. Nielsen <mor...@post8.tele.dk> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:55:46 +0200, p...@RQNNE.invalid (Per Rønne) wrote:
> >The crack of an Israeli sound grenade and a hail of rubber bullets from
> >above were supposed to disperse activists, but instead set them in
> >motion. And when three Israeli commandos slid down ropes out of
> >helicopters to take over the ship, a crowd set upon them.
>
> Måske de skulle have studeret brugsanvisningen:
>
> http://www.cnas.org/blogs/abumuqawama/2010/06/fast-roping-101.html

:)

Den er sgu da morsom -

> --
>
> -JN-


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