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Tilt: Game Over
Fra : Jan Rasmussen


Dato : 15-09-08 19:26

Tilt: Game Over

So this weekend everyone who is a "who's who" huddled in New York at The Fed to figure out what to
do with Lehman Brothers.

The market sat on pins and needles, and in fact ramped by nearly 10 full handles (close to 1%) in
the last 10 minutes before the futures locked up for the weekend, in the vain belief that there will
be some "resolution."

I'm here to tell you that there is no resolution, no fix, and we now face a stark choice between
most of American Finance being sucked into the vortex, and everything, including you, being sucked
into the vortex.

Yes, those are some stark - and harsh - words.

They're also true.

Let's begin with what we were told wouldn't happen after Bear Stearns. We were told that Bear was an
"extraordinarily" event, and that it was a "liquidity run" that doomed them; absent that, they were
"fine."

This was a lie.

In truth what doomed them is the same thing that dooms all of these other institutions - credit
risk. The truth is that all of these firms have written paper imprudently across the spectrum -
"subprime" loans, ALT-A loans, Commercial Real Estate loans and leveraged buyout loans, for
starters.

Lehman, allegedly, has some $80 billion of this trash on its balance sheet. Who knows what its
worth. A good part of it is probably worth 40 cents on the dollar - or less.

This charade has been promulgated and maintained by the ratings agencies, who were more than happy
to assign "AAA" ratings to securities that had thin capital backing and assumptions about loss rates
that required that the price of whatever asset was behind them would always and forever go higher.

This, of course, is an impossibility, but nobody in Congress bothered them with that minor little
fact - even though Congress authorized them to play this game in the first place via their "NRSRO"
designation.

The Truth is that Merrill, Morgan Stanley, and even Goldman are all in the same boat. The Fed and
Treasury actions have given them roughly six months to "cut that crap out", but they didn't. They
didn't sell off their portfolios of junk, but what they did do was take the liquidity they were
given and speculate in the commodity markets, earning a nice profit and allowing them to report
better-then-disaster "earnings" while hiding the trash in "Level 3" buckets on their balance sheets.

The entire game was predicated on the idea that the market for housing and commercial real estate
would turn within six months to a year from last summer.

We now know, of course, that this is total garbage; housing and commercial real estate are
long-cycle businesses that average fifteen to eighteen years from cycle top to cycle top, and there
is absolutely nothing you can do to change that.

As a consequence every one of these firms that has tried to "hide the sausage" is ultimately going
to die. They have made the critical mistake of trying to play games instead of selling off their
portfolio of trash last summer when it was still possible, and now are going to have to eat it -
with disastrous results. It is highly probable that three years from now none of these firms will
have survived in their present form.

Speaking of hiding the sausage, let's talk about AIG and WaMu.

In AIG's case they were writing credit default swaps like candy over the last few years. As I have
repeatedly pointed out these instruments are nuclear devices and all of them tick at inception, but
the timer's window has duct tape over it. There has been zero margin supervision on these as they're
all "over the counter"; that is, no centralized reporting, no central clearing, no central control
and no supervision - by anyone. Now AIG is in the uncharitable position of having nearly $500
billion of exposure to corporate loans and CDOs, with nearly all of it written to banks - the very
institutions that are now in trouble!

WaMu, for its part, still has some $50-80 billion (getting an EXACT amount out of their 10Q is an
exercise in high frustration) worth of ALT-A "liar loans" on its books, most of them the worst
sort - "Pay Option" ARMs on which negative amortization builds into the loan balance. This caught my
eye last April and as I've repeatedly noted should have caught the eye of regulators as well, with
the OTS and FDIC stomping on their neck instantly when they reported 1Q 2007 "earnings" and were
paying their dividend out of capitalized interest! But that didn't happen and now we have a huge
thrift trading at $2 and change. Why is the stock price $2? I'll bet that if they were to mark all
of their retained exposure to the current market price of those homes they'd be instantaneously
insolvent.

Of course none of these banks or other institutions are taking their marks - including WaMu - but
the market is quickly figuring out that home prices are not going to reverse and head higher - they
are instead continuing lower, as they must, as until affordability returns there is no other
possible path forward.

In markets like California where the median family income is $64,000 (as of 2006); this means the
median home price must be about $192,000.

As of August it was $350,000, or still a bit over 40% overvalued!

Every bank with retained exposure to California of any material extent is in serious trouble and
most of them with fail outright.

This is simple mathematics.

The regulators had to know this was going to happen years ago as the median price reached nearly
nine times median income in 2005 and 2006.

They willfully looked the other way.

Then we have Fannie and Freddie, who were the architects of the housing credit bubble. A story you
need to read detailing this - in the mainstream media (now, after the explosion of course) is found
on MSNBC today:

"The Clinton administration wanted to expand the share of Americans who owned homes, which had
stagnated below 65 percent throughout the 1980s. Encouraging the growth of the two companies was a
key part of that plan.

.....

"They have always done everything in their power to massage Congress," Leach said.

And when they couldn't massage, they intimidated. In 2003, Richard H. Baker (R-La.), chairman of the
House Financial Services subcommittee with oversight over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, got
information from OFHEO on the salaries paid to executives at both companies. Fannie Mae threatened
to sue Baker if he released it, he recalled. Fearing the expense of a court battle, he kept the data
secret for a year.

.....

An employee at one of the companies said it was already a constant discussion around the office in
2004: When would the regulators notice?

"It didn't take a lot of sophistication to notice what was happening to the quality of the loans.
Anybody could have seen it," the staffer said. "But nobody on the outside was even questioning us
about it."

President Bush had pledged to create an "ownership society," and the companies were helping the
administration achieve its goal of putting more than 10 million Americans into their first homes.

And there you have it. Fannie and Freddie effectively (if legally) bribed and blackmailed their way
through Congress - just like the Investment Banks, just like Treasury, and just like The Fed.

Note carefully that both Clinton and Bush administrations are implicated in the above-cited article.
Those who try to make this a partisan issue are simply wrong - this is a leach-fu** issue, in that
America, as a whole has come to believe that the government can make everything ok and can provide
for us.

Health care, retirement, housing, automobiles, gasoline, heating oil, electricity, hurricane and
other disaster relief, jobs and so on.

All the government's responsibility.

On 9/11 Hank Paulson tried to calm down jittery GSE paper holders with this pithy little comment
regarding the Fannie and Freddie Fiasco:

"The stock purchase agreement is designed to discourage Congress from trying to change the terms of
the agreement, the Treasury said. If Congress did try to change the law, it would open itself up to
legal challenge, the fact sheet said.

``As with any contract, the parties to the agreement may modify the covenants by mutual agreement
only,'' the Treasury said. "

Of course Hank.

What's left unsaid is that (1) you can't sue Congress successfully unless it allows itself to be
sued (there's this little thing called "sovereign immunity" that gets in the way) and (2) Congress
appropriates the money in this nation under the Constitution and could - and should - refuse to fund
your mess.

Good luck with "performance" on that contract if you don't have the cash!

Paulson, like the rest of these fools, thinks he can bludgeon people into holding this GSE paper. In
truth anyone who is not unwinding it at this point and running away is a five-alarm idiot, as I've
previously noted, because the entire Treasury department changes hands along with the rest of the
Executive branch of government in four months time.

We keep hearing that "its all ok, and the government is here to help and solve the problems we face
as a nation."

The Truth: Its all a house of cards.

EVEN THE FDIC:

"We were wrong. As a former FDIC chairman, Bill Isaac, points out here, the FDIC Insurance Fund is
an accounting fiction. It takes in premiums from banks, then turns those premiums over to the
Treasury, which adds the money to the government's general coffers for "spending . . . on missiles,
school lunches, water projects, and the like."

The insurance premiums aren't really premiums at all, therefore. They're a tax by another name."

Betcha you didn't know that.

That's right folks - there is no FDIC insurance fund.

Just like there is no Social Security insurance fund, or Medicare insurance fund.

They are all accounting FICTIONS that our Congress has created and allowed because we keep demanding
that they spend more than they have.

To keep us, and foreign bond investors (who must pony up $2 billion per day to keep this charade
alive) from freaking out and saying "no mas!" they rob and steal every nickel from every nook and
cranny they can so their "budget deficit" looks much smaller than it actually is.

Clinton never ran a budget surplus if you simply add back in the FICA receipts he stole to "balance
his budget." Bush of course never even claimed to run a surplus. Every administration since the
1970s has played this game to one degree or another, and we, Idiot Nation, sit back and let it
happen.

Now the check is on the table and the waiter is tapping his foot.

So America, what are you going to choose to do about this? Sit on your hands? Tap your foot? Drink
another beer? Turn on the NFL?

Its your money they're spending in DC, you know. You've been lied to repeatedly by the clowns
inhabiting Washington. Democrat, Republican, elected, appointed, its all a piece of the same mess.

Here, once again, is The Truth for those of you who wish to hear it:
Homes cannot sell, on average, for more than three times average incomes. Period. Short-term
distortions can and do occur, but over longer periods of time (decades) house prices cannot advance
faster than wages.
We will not see the bottom of the mess in housing or the economy generally until houses sell for
that three times income. Those who say we will are simply wrong. Attempts to delay or reverse this
adjustment will make the total economic impact far worse and in fact can easily lead us to an
economic depression.
Those firms who made bad investments must be forced to eat them. If this results in their insolvency
then it does. We cannot clear our credit and economic systems until we know who is bankrupt and who
is not.
We as individuals and our nation as a whole must stop spending more than we make. This is not
negotiable. We as a nation are beholden to foreign interests at present to the tune of $2 billion
per day in external funding requirements. If that funding is interrupted for any reason - such as a
loss of confidence - we are instantaneously plunged into DEPRESSION.
The market is vastly overvalued with essentially the entirety of its "future earnings appreciation"
predicated on a resumption of the "FIRE" (Finance, insurance and real estate) economic boom. The
only "boom" that is occurring and will occur is a series of explosions. The S&P 500, without that
"acceleration", has a fair value somewhere around eight hundred. Yeah - 1/3rd lower from here and
fully half off its all-time high.

Let's look at the reality of the housing market, starting from the same place - a wage-earner with a
$60,000 household income who bought a $400,000 house in 2005. The price was the "median" in your
area and so is your income.

Let's look at the two scenarios:
We "let you" refinance into a 30/fixed. However, you still own a house that was sold at double the
sustainable price. Your "new P&I payment" would be $2,386 (6%, 30 year fixed). But you only make
$5,000/month (gross), which means your total debt load on the P&I alone is 47%. Deduct your tax
liability on that $60,000 (figure a 20% all-in marginal rate) and suddenly you have only about
$3,700 a month net-net take-home. You are spending sixty four percent of your net income on interest
and principal! Yes, you get a tax write-off on the interest; balance that against insurance costs
and they probably net out. To put this in perspective you have $1,300 left for everything else in
your budget - food, gas, electricity, car payments, etc. You will eventually go broke with this
"refinance".
You foreclose. Your home drops in price (after another year or two) to $200,000. You can now buy the
house for $1,193 P&I! You still have the same $3,700 in take-home pay, but now your P&I is 32% of
your take-home, and you have $2,500 left after making your mortgage payment. That is more $1,200
additional every month, and leaves you able to afford food, energy, gas, and your car payment.

Solution #2 forces you through a "Credit Event" and trashes your FICO but leads to sustainable
housing and prevents you from going completely underwater.

This same scenario applies to every other area of finance.

Those commercial construction loans that were made at unsustainable cap rates must be allowed to
fail and those properties be sold at "fire sale" prices. This will lead to sustainable commercial
real estate.

The "LBO" loans made on ridiculous terms must be allowed to blow up and those firms go through
bankruptcy. This will lead to sustainable business models and risk-based pricing going forward.

Yes, there is considerable pain associated with being one of the people who is on the "wrong side"
of any of these blowups. If you are a bank or other institution that wrote swaps against these
deals, or is holding this paper, you are going to take a terrific beating - perhaps enough to kill
you in the process.

But this, folks, is good, not bad.

It is only through the imposition of market discipline, which is really just a fancy way of saying
"when you do something stupid you go bankrupt", that we prevent future stupidity.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
______________________________________

Se denne 'dokumentar' og få et indblik i hvorfor det nuværende økonomiske
system ikke er 'sustainable'

Money As Debt - 47 min
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
Paul Grignon's 47-minute animated presentation of "Money as Debt" tells in very simple and effective
graphic terms what money is and how it is being created. It is an entertaining way to get the
message out. The Cowichan Citizens Coalition and its "Duncan Initiative" received high praise from
those who previewed it. I recommend it as a painless but hard-hitting educational tool and encourage
the widest distribution and use by all groups concerned with the present unsustainable monetary
system in Canada and the United States.

Jan Rasmussen



 
 
Jan Rasmussen (15-09-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Jan Rasmussen


Dato : 15-09-08 21:05

"Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i en meddelelse news:48cea866$0$56784$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...

> Tilt: Game Over

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/14/news/economy/greenspan/index.htm
Greenspan: Economy in 'once-in-a-century' crisis.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. credit squeeze has brought on a "once-in-a-century" financial crisis
that is likely to claim more big firms before it eases, former Federal Reserve chief Alan Greenspan
said Sunday.
Greenspan told ABC's "This Week" that the situation "is in the process of outstripping anything I've
seen, and it still is not resolved and it still has a way to go."

"Indeed, it will continue to be a corrosive force until the price of homes in the United States
stabilizes," Greenspan said. He predicted that would not happen until early 2009, and said the odds
of U.S. recession have gone up in recent months.

"I can't believe we could have a once-in-a-century type of financial crisis without a significant
impact on the real economy globally, and I think that indeed is what is in the process of
occurring," he said.

While recent declines in the prices of oil and food may help avert a recession, he said, "I wouldn't
put my money on it."

The financial crunch already has claimed investment bank Bear Stearns, spurred the federal seizure
of mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM, Fortune 500) and Freddie Mac (FRE, Fortune 500) and left
century-old Wall Street institution Lehman Brothers (LEH, Fortune 500) clinging by its fingernails
after suffering nearly $7 billion in real estate-related losses.

Federal regulators and Wall Street executives were holding weekend crisis talks aimed at resolving
the Lehman situation without further shock to the financial sector.

Greenspan, who left office in 2006, said he expected more failures before the crisis eases. While
regulators "shouldn't try to protect every single institution," he said, companies should be kept
from failing "in a sharply disruptive manner" to prevent further shocks.

Greenspan's critics say he helped inflate the housing bubble by keeping target short-term rates too
low for too long, leading to reckless lending and borrowing in the housing market. But Greenspan has
said the problem lay not in the loans themselves, but in their repackaging as securities and sale to
investors.

Jan Rasmussen



Jan Rasmussen (16-09-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Jan Rasmussen


Dato : 16-09-08 01:06

"Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i en meddelelse news:48cebf67$0$56776$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> "Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:48cea866$0$56784$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>
>> Tilt: Game Over
>

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/56994/Top-Economist%3A-Americans-Should-Worry-About-Bank-Deposits-if-Congress-Doesnt-Act

slow-motion run on retail banks" occurring nationwide.

"With the "financial storm of the century" hitting financial institutions, many Americans are
worried about the safety of their bank deposits. While the FDIC insures individual accounts up to
$100,000, the reaction to IndyMac's failure this summer -- lines outside retail branches -- shows
Americans have limited faith in the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which guarantees individual
accounts up to $100,000."

But Americans are justified to be worried, says Nouriel Roubini, of NYU's Stern School and RGE
Monitor, who notes there is already a "slow-motion run on retail banks" occurring nationwide.

That "run" could accelerate as people realize the FDIC fund has about $50 billion to "insure" about
$1 trillion in assets at the nation's financial institutions, says Roubini. "They're going to run
out of money" unless Congress acts soon to recapitalize the FDIC.



Jan Rasmussen



Lyrik (16-09-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Lyrik


Dato : 16-09-08 12:41

"Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i meddelelsen
news:48cef80e$0$56780$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> "Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:48cebf67$0$56776$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>> "Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:48cea866$0$56784$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
>>
>>> Tilt: Game Over
>>
>
> http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/56994/Top-Economist%3A-Americans-Should-Worry-About-Bank-Deposits-if-Congress-Doesnt-Act
>
> slow-motion run on retail banks" occurring nationwide.
>
> "With the "financial storm of the century" hitting financial institutions,
> many Americans are worried about the safety of their bank deposits. While
> the FDIC insures individual accounts up to $100,000, the reaction to
> IndyMac's failure this summer -- lines outside retail branches -- shows
> Americans have limited faith in the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which
> guarantees individual accounts up to $100,000."
>
> But Americans are justified to be worried, says Nouriel Roubini, of NYU's
> Stern School and RGE Monitor, who notes there is already a "slow-motion
> run on retail banks" occurring nationwide.
>
> That "run" could accelerate as people realize the FDIC fund has about $50
> billion to "insure" about $1 trillion in assets at the nation's financial
> institutions, says Roubini. "They're going to run out of money" unless
> Congress acts soon to recapitalize the FDIC.
> Jan Rasmussen
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Greetings Jan!

Americans will survive! But what about the finansial system? The film that
You linked to has been viewed 3 times now. It is obvious that the run on the
banks accelerates, considering the FDIC reserve that just isn't enough!
What can the state do? It drags a trillion dollar debt chained around its
foot. And it has two wars on its hands. What can it revitalise? Unemployment
is raising. Housing marked is collapsing?

The creditors looks like someone You wouldn't like to meet in a dark
alley!

The film talkes of a more sustainable system that does not demand
accelerated growth and consuming earths resources.
But in what way?
If we look at the creation we see lots of growth of trees and plants being
gartnered by thoughtfull humans, and then the leaves are falling and giving
power to the next years growth. Next years growth can be even more fertile
and beautiful. It has to be beautiful to be sustainable.IMHO.

Greets
jens


Jan Rasmussen (16-09-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Jan Rasmussen


Dato : 16-09-08 19:48

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ff9306c-83f1-11dd-bf00-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Russia halts trading after 17% drop
By Rachel Morarjee

Published: September 16 2008 15:07 | Last updated: September 16 2008 15:07

Russia authorities halted trading on the country's stock exchange on Tuesday after it plunged 17 per
cent in a broad-based sell-off.

At 1700 local time, the rouble-denominated Micex index had fallen 17.5 per cent to 881.17 and the
RTS index dropped 12 per cent to 1,131.120 as the falling oil price, margin calls on local investors
and a broader sell-off in emerging markets stocks drove shares down.

"This is a good old-fashioned panic", said Steven Dashevsky, head of research at Unicredit in
Moscow. "It doesn't feel like there is anyone domestically that can put the brakes on."
Oil stocks tracked the price of Brent crude, used as a benchmark for Russian oil sales, as it sank
below $90 a barrel. Gas giant Gazprom fell 8.3 per cent to Rbs98 and Lukoil dropped 12 per cent to
Rbs1,355.51.

"The fundamental issue is oil. Russian oil companies are not producing more so their earnings are
dependent on a rising oil price," said Daniel Salter, analyst at ING. If the oil price falls, then
earnings downgrades are in the pipeline for these stocks, he added.

State-backed bank VTB tumbled 33 per cent to Rbs0.03 and Volga Telecom sank 28 per cent to Rbs37.

Margin calls on local investors who have used stocks as collateral for loans continued to drive
sales, as emerging market funds faced growing redemptions.

Jan Rasmussen



Lyrik (16-09-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Lyrik


Dato : 16-09-08 22:20

"Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i meddelelsen
news:48cffed2$0$56778$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ff9306c-83f1-11dd-bf00-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
>
> Russia halts trading after 17% drop
> By Rachel Morarjee
>
> Published: September 16 2008 15:07 | Last updated: September 16 2008 15:07
>
> Russia authorities halted trading on the country's stock exchange on
> Tuesday after it plunged 17 per cent in a broad-based sell-off.
>
> At 1700 local time, the rouble-denominated Micex index had fallen 17.5 per
> cent to 881.17 and the RTS index dropped 12 per cent to 1,131.120 as the
> falling oil price, margin calls on local investors and a broader sell-off
> in emerging markets stocks drove shares down.
>
> "This is a good old-fashioned panic", said Steven Dashevsky, head of
> research at Unicredit in Moscow. "It doesn't feel like there is anyone
> domestically that can put the brakes on."
> Oil stocks tracked the price of Brent crude, used as a benchmark for
> Russian oil sales, as it sank below $90 a barrel. Gas giant Gazprom fell
> 8.3 per cent to Rbs98 and Lukoil dropped 12 per cent to Rbs1,355.51.
>
> "The fundamental issue is oil. Russian oil companies are not producing
> more so their earnings are dependent on a rising oil price," said Daniel
> Salter, analyst at ING. If the oil price falls, then earnings downgrades
> are in the pipeline for these stocks, he added.
>
> State-backed bank VTB tumbled 33 per cent to Rbs0.03 and Volga Telecom
> sank 28 per cent to Rbs37.
>
> Margin calls on local investors who have used stocks as collateral for
> loans continued to drive sales, as emerging market funds faced growing
> redemptions.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
And the kapitalist economy crisis seams to be world wide. So what about a
new system? Did you know that the Jesuites made a system without money in
South America?
Everybody could have what they needed. It functioned well until the country
was invaded by the spanish king.
"
This strange evangelical crusade infatuated great minds during its
century-and-a-half of existence, and ever since. Voltaire called it "a
triumph of humanity capable of expiating the crimes of the conquistadors."
Utopian philosophers of the 18th century saw in it a template of the
perfectly-arranged society. A founder of the British Labor Party, R. B.
Cunninghame-Graham, who had spent his youth in Argentina and actually spoke
to the grandchildren of people who had lived under the protection of the
Jesuit fathers, wrote a history titled "Vanished Arcadia."
In more contemporary times German Arciniegas, the Peruvian social historian,
declared the Jesuits had recreated the socialist society of the Incas. The
English writer Philip Caraman, while acknowledging the paternalistic nature
of the Jesuits' treatment of the South American Indians, said they had
rescued entire indigenous cultures from extinction, particularly that of the
Guarani. These people, the Jesuits' first converts, constitute the largest
part of the population of Paraguay today, and their language is the most
widely spoken. French historian Roger Lacombe even argued that had the
Jesuit enterprise not been interrupted, South America would be 100 years
more advanced than it is today."

regards Jens




Arne H. Wilstrup (16-09-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Arne H. Wilstrup


Dato : 16-09-08 23:42

Og det har med dansk politik at gøre? Og hvorfor blot
copypaste en artikel uden yderligere kommentarer og på engelsk
i en dansk politik-gruppe? I det hele taget, hvad mener du med
dit indlæg?

(skrevet ovenover med vilje for at gøre dig opmærksom på at
nedenstående næppe er umagen værd at beskæftige sig med - du
kan nøjes med et link og så komme med dine kommentarer - jeg
fatter ikke hvorfor du absolut skal citere en hel artikel uden
videre bemærkninger - det er jo bare støj på linjen)


"Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i meddelelsen
news:48cffed2$0$56778$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6ff9306c-83f1-11dd-bf00-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
>
> Russia halts trading after 17% drop
> By Rachel Morarjee
>
> Published: September 16 2008 15:07 | Last updated: September
> 16 2008 15:07
>
> Russia authorities halted trading on the country's stock
> exchange on Tuesday after it plunged 17 per cent in a
> broad-based sell-off.
>
> At 1700 local time, the rouble-denominated Micex index had
> fallen 17.5 per cent to 881.17 and the RTS index dropped 12
> per cent to 1,131.120 as the falling oil price, margin calls
> on local investors and a broader sell-off in emerging
> markets stocks drove shares down.
>
> "This is a good old-fashioned panic", said Steven Dashevsky,
> head of research at Unicredit in Moscow. "It doesn't feel
> like there is anyone domestically that can put the brakes
> on."
> Oil stocks tracked the price of Brent crude, used as a
> benchmark for Russian oil sales, as it sank below $90 a
> barrel. Gas giant Gazprom fell 8.3 per cent to Rbs98 and
> Lukoil dropped 12 per cent to Rbs1,355.51.
>
> "The fundamental issue is oil. Russian oil companies are not
> producing more so their earnings are dependent on a rising
> oil price," said Daniel Salter, analyst at ING. If the oil
> price falls, then earnings downgrades are in the pipeline
> for these stocks, he added.
>
> State-backed bank VTB tumbled 33 per cent to Rbs0.03 and
> Volga Telecom sank 28 per cent to Rbs37.
>
> Margin calls on local investors who have used stocks as
> collateral for loans continued to drive sales, as emerging
> market funds faced growing redemptions.
>
> Jan Rasmussen
>
>



Jan Rasmussen (17-09-2008)
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Fra : Jan Rasmussen


Dato : 17-09-08 09:13

"Arne H. Wilstrup" <nix@invalid.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:48d03653$0$15887$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk...

> Og det har med dansk politik at gøre?

Danmarks export til Rusland er på ca. 10 milliarder kroner om året.

>Og hvorfor blot copypaste en artikel

Jeg foretrækker selv at læse en artikel i ren tekst fremfor en webside med
50 reklamer.

> hvad mener du med dit indlæg?

Man behøver ikke have en mening med en oplysning.

Jan Rasmussen



J. Nielsen (17-09-2008)
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Fra : J. Nielsen


Dato : 17-09-08 15:25

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:42:26 +0200, "Arne H. Wilstrup" <nix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>Og det har med dansk politik at gøre? Og hvorfor blot
>copypaste en artikel uden yderligere kommentarer og på engelsk
>i en dansk politik-gruppe? I det hele taget, hvad mener du med
>dit indlæg?

Noget skal dommedagsprofeterne jo beskæftige sig med.

Tilsyneladende er Peak Oil krisen aflyst pga manglende tilslutning.
Ak ja, det er et utaknemligt job, at være professionel sortseer...

Jan Rasmussen (17-09-2008)
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Fra : Jan Rasmussen


Dato : 17-09-08 16:04

"J. Nielsen" <mp274808@paul.get2net.dk> skrev i en meddelelse
news:6642d45otksmln4kvgb2j3g5gauek27o14@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 00:42:26 +0200, "Arne H. Wilstrup" <nix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>Og det har med dansk politik at gøre? Og hvorfor blot
>copypaste en artikel uden yderligere kommentarer og på engelsk
>i en dansk politik-gruppe? I det hele taget, hvad mener du med
>dit indlæg?

>Tilsyneladende er Peak Oil krisen aflyst pga manglende tilslutning.
>Ak ja, det er et utaknemligt job, at være professionel sortseer...

Peak oil krisen er ikke aflyst, der er bare blever overhalet af den
økonomiske krise, som alle de 'professionelle' Peak Oil'er
har advaret om ville komme. Geologien har ikke forandret sig.
Energistyrelsen: "Siden 2004 er olieproduktionen fra de danske felter faldet med omkring 20 %"

Vær du blot glad over at du ligesom '@' opfylder Peak Oil første læresætning.
som lyder, 'Get out of debt'.

Jan Rasmussen



J. Nielsen (20-09-2008)
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Fra : J. Nielsen


Dato : 20-09-08 17:22

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:03:33 +0200, "Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> wrote:

>Vær du blot glad over at du ligesom '@' opfylder Peak Oil første læresætning.
>som lyder, 'Get out of debt'.

Det er jeg skam osse glad for! For mange år siden, på vej hjem fra strandjagt
på fjorden, slog min gamle FIAT 128 uventet godnatskiden og jeg måtte gå den
tunge gang til banken og låne til en ny bil.

Dengang svór jeg højt og helligt aldrig mere at komme i en situation hvor
gældssætning var nødvendig - og har holdt løftet lige siden.

Indrømmet; Jeg vil næppe være første valg, når Dansk Herremoderåd skal udpege
'Årets mest velklædte' og min seksten år gamle Corolla har nok set sin bedste
tid, men jeg gider altså ikke det tåbelige forbrugshysteri, hvor selv
badeværelser og køkken skal skiftes ud hvert tiende år.

Jeg fyldes af undren og medlidenhed, når folk fortæller mig, at de er nødt
til at købe ikke bare bil, men også helt almindelige forbrugsgoder, som TV,
vaskemaskine eller PC på afbetaling, "for det er da helt umuligt, at spare op
af den smule vi tjener."
Alle forsøg på at forklare om renteindtægt kontra renteudgift mødes med et
tomt blik. Måske burde økonomisk ansvarlighed være en del af skolernes pensum.




Jan Rasmussen (21-09-2008)
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Fra : Jan Rasmussen


Dato : 21-09-08 15:37

In news:pi6ad4p9lfcfn2opsgip9holcqukuo86kt@4ax.com -
J. Nielsen skrev

> Jeg fyldes af undren og medlidenhed, når folk fortæller mig, at de
> er nødt til at købe ikke bare bil, men også helt almindelige
> forbrugsgoder, som TV, vaskemaskine eller PC på afbetaling, "for det
> er da helt umuligt, at spare op af den smule vi tjener."
> Alle forsøg på at forklare om renteindtægt kontra renteudgift mødes
> med et tomt blik. Måske burde økonomisk ansvarlighed være en del af
> skolernes pensum.

Ja det ser ikke for godt ud.

http://www.prudentbear.com/images/stories/guest2008/g081408b.gif
Personal savings rate lowest in history.

http://borsen.dk/webtv?clipid=2594&tabtype=seneste&pleasure=0&page=2
Bendtsen: Danmark han et indlåns underskud på 500 milliarder.

Jan Rasmussen



Lyrik (15-09-2008)
Kommentar
Fra : Lyrik


Dato : 15-09-08 22:38

>Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i meddelelsen
>news:48cea866$0$56784$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk...
> Tilt: Game Over

> Se denne 'dokumentar' og få et indblik i hvorfor det nuværende økonomiske
> system ikke er 'sustainable'
>
> Money As Debt - 47 min
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279
> Paul Grignon's 47-minute animated presentation of "Money as Debt" tells in
> very simple and effective graphic terms what money is and how it is being
> created. It is an entertaining way to get the message out. The Cowichan
> Citizens Coalition and its "Duncan Initiative" received high praise from
> those who previewed it. I recommend it as a painless but hard-hitting
> educational tool and encourage the widest distribution and use by all
> groups concerned with the present unsustainable monetary system in Canada
> and the United States.
>
> Jan Rasmussen
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Tak for det link Jan! It was an eye opener!

Greets
Jens


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