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http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/news/stories/2008/04/03/turner_0404.html

Ted Turner: Global warming could lead to cannibalism
Billionaire environmentalist says world has too many people.

By MIKE MORRIS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/03/08
Failure to address global warming will have us all dead or eating each other by mid-century.

So says Ted Turner, the restaurateur, environmentalist and former media mogul whose controversial
comments have earned him the nickname "Mouth of the South."

in 30 or 40 years and basically none of the crops will grow," Turner said during a wide-ranging,
hour-long interview with PBS's Charlie Rose that aired Tuesday.

"Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals," said Turner, 69.
"Civilization will have broken down. The few people left will be living in a failed state - like
Somalia or Sudan - and living conditions will be intolerable."

One way to combat global warming, Turner said, is to stabilize the population.

"We're too many people; that's why we have global warming," he said. "Too many people are using too
much stuff."

Turner suggested that "on a voluntary basis, everybody in the world's got to pledge to themselves
that one or two children is it."

Admitting that he's "always suffered from foot-in-the-mouth disease," Turner added, "I've gotten a
lot better, though. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid."

Turner went on to say that military budgets need to be cut "way back."

"Right now, the U.S. is spending $500 billion a year on the military, which is more than all 190
countries in the world put together," he said.

"The two countries that the military industrial complex and some of our politicians would like to
demonize and make enemies are Russia and China," Turner said. "China just wants to sell us shoes.
They're not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends,
too."

He said that despite the United States' huge military budget, "we can't win in Iraq."

"We're being beaten by insurgents who don't even have any tanks, they don't have a headquarters,
they don't have a Pentagon, we don't even know if they have any generals," Turner told Rose.

Turner called the Iraqi insurgents "patriots" who "don't like us because we invaded their country
and occupied it. Nobody likes to be invaded."

The CNN founder also said he thinks his old network has veered too far away from serious news,
instead favoring lighter stories delivered by attractive female "chickies" and opinion-based news
such as Lou Dobbs' show.

Jan Rasmussen

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Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:

> One way to combat global warming, Turner said, is to stabilize the population.
>
> "We're too many people; that's why we have global warming," he said. "Too
> many people are using too much stuff."
>
> Turner suggested that "on a voluntary basis, everybody in the world's got
> to pledge to themselves that one or two children is it."

Det forslag kan da vist ikke være beregnet til befolkningerne i Europa
eller de kristne i Rusland ...
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Per Erik Rønne
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""Per Rønne"" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:
>
>> One way to combat global warming, Turner said, is to stabilize the population.
>>
>> "We're too many people; that's why we have global warming," he said. "Too
>> many people are using too much stuff."
>>
>> Turner suggested that "on a voluntary basis, everybody in the world's got
>> to pledge to themselves that one or two children is it."
>
> Det forslag kan da vist ikke være beregnet til befolkningerne i Europa
> eller de kristne i Rusland ...

Måske mener Turner,,,
"everybody in the third world got to pledge to themselves that one or two children is it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth
"Growth remains high in the Middle East, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Latin America, and primarily in
Sub-Saharan Africa"


Europe & Russia - US & Canada
Vs.
Developing countries.
http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/images/WorldPop.gif

Det er begyndt, effekterne af overpopulation og Peak Oil.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...er=commodities
"Rice, the staple food for about 3 billion people, rose as much as 2.8 percent in Chicago and has
doubled in the past year. Demand has increased on rising imports by the Philippines, the biggest
buyer, and as global food supplies lag behind demand growth fueled by China and India."

"China, India and Vietnam have cut rice exports, and Indonesia has reduced import tariffs to protect
food supplies and cool inflation. Rice in Chicago climbed 42 percent in the first quarter, more than
all of last year's 33 percent gain. Record grain prices contributed to strikes in Argentina, riots
in Ivory Coast and a crackdown on illicit exports in Pakistan. "

"The World Bank estimates 'that 33 countries around the world face potential social unrest because
of the acute hike in food and energy prices,' "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7331921.stm
Food riots turn deadly in Haiti.

At least four people were killed and 20 wounded when demonstrations against rising food prices
turned into riots in southern Haiti, officials say.

Reports say scores of people went on the rampage in the town of Les Cayes, blocking roads, looting
shops and shooting at UN peacekeepers.

The UN said its personnel had opened fire at some of the armed protesters.
For two days running, parts of Haiti have been erupting into violence triggered by the soaring cost
of food.
The prices of rice, beans and fruit have gone up by 50% in the last year.

Mr Alexis said he had made $10m (£5m) available for schemes to help fight the rising cost of food,
including food aid and half-price fertiliser.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7288196.stm
Egyptians hit by rising food prices

BBC looks at the impact of rising food prices around the world,
Heba Saleh reports from Cairo where soaring costs hit the country's poor
- and the government that subsidises their bread.

A crowd of people jostle each other as they wait for subsidised bread outside a small bakery on a
narrow unpaved back street in Imbaba, a poor suburb of Cairo.

Everyone here complains they are being squeezed by the latest wave of price rises.
"Speak about the famine that's taking place now," says Karima Mohamed, a mother of five.

"A bottle of oil has now reached 10 (Egyptian) pounds (90p; $1.80).
The government should not make things expensive for the Egyptian people, because we are the poorest
of the world. Salaries here have not increased, but prices have gone up threefold and fourfold."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7324596.stm
Asian states feel rice pinch.

Asian countries have been struggling to cope as the cost of rice has reached record levels.
"The price of the staple crop has risen by as much as 70% during the last year, according to the UN
Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO). "
Shortages have begun to hit some importing countries.

INDIA:
India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With rice the staple food for 65%
of the country's one billion plus people, much is consumed domestically.
The government has announced a total ban on exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising
food prices.

Jan Rasmussen

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Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:

> India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With
> rice the staple food for 65% of the country's one billion plus people,
> much is consumed domestically. The government has announced a total ban on
> exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising food prices.

Og vi kan så håbe at mange udviklingslande selv får stablet en fornuftig
fødevareproduktion på benene, noget de har haft vanskeligheder ved som
følge af EUs og USAs landbrugspolitik - hvor man har dumpet fødevarerne
på verdensmarkedet, og udkonkurreret ulandenes produktion.
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Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk

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""Per Rønne"" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:
>
>> India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With
>> rice the staple food for 65% of the country's one billion plus people,
>> much is consumed domestically. The government has announced a total ban on
>> exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising food prices.
>
> Og vi kan så håbe at mange udviklingslande selv får stablet en fornuftig
> fødevareproduktion på benene,

Hvordan skulle de kunne det, med en olie pris på 100-200$ tønden.

Det er billig olie der har maskeret problemerne ved overpopulation.


Jan Rasmussen

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Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:

> ""Per Rønne"" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:1iexuk3.124n9rqsx7zh4N%per@RQNNE.invalid...
> > Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:
> >
> >> India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With
> >> rice the staple food for 65% of the country's one billion plus people,
> >> much is consumed domestically. The government has announced a total ban on
> >> exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising food prices.
> >
> > Og vi kan så håbe at mange udviklingslande selv får stablet en fornuftig
> > fødevareproduktion på benene,
>
> Hvordan skulle de kunne det, med en olie pris på 100-200$ tønden.
>
> Det er billig olie der har maskeret problemerne ved overpopulation.

Jeg ved ikke hvorfor du tror at det kræver en masse billig olie at
producere mad i udviklingslandene. Hidtil har politikken været dels at
styrene har holdt kunstigt lave fødevarepriser [noget der i sig selv
reducerer produktionen], dels købt vestlige fødevarer til dumpingpriser
til bybefolkningerne.


--
Per Erik Rønne
http://www.RQNNE.dk

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""Per Rønne"" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:
>
>> ""Per Rønne"" <per@RQNNE.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:1iexuk3.124n9rqsx7zh4N%per@RQNNE.invalid...
>> > Jan Rasmussen <1@1.1> wrote:
>> >
>> >> India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With
>> >> rice the staple food for 65% of the country's one billion plus people,
>> >> much is consumed domestically. The government has announced a total ban on
>> >> exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising food prices.
>> >
>> > Og vi kan så håbe at mange udviklingslande selv får stablet en fornuftig
>> > fødevareproduktion på benene,
>>
>> Hvordan skulle de kunne det, med en olie pris på 100-200$ tønden.
>>
>> Det er billig olie der har maskeret problemerne ved overpopulation.
>
> Jeg ved ikke hvorfor du tror at det kræver en masse billig olie at
> producere mad i udviklingslandene. Hidtil har politikken været dels at
> styrene har holdt kunstigt lave fødevarepriser [noget der i sig selv
> reducerer produktionen], dels købt vestlige fødevarer til dumpingpriser
> til bybefolkningerne.
>

Det kræver en masse billig olie at producere mad nok,
fordi uden kunstvanding, kunstgødning, landbrugsmaskiner, transport o.s.v
vil udbyttet fra et styke jord falde til et niveau, hvor det er umuligt at brødføde
de millionbyer der er opstået som følge af den grønne revolution.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Revolution

"The world population has grown by about four billion since the beginning of the Green Revolution
and most believe that, without the Revolution, there would be greater famine and malnutrition."

"The production increases can be attributed roughly equally to irrigation, fertilizer, and seed
development,"

"While agricultural output increased as a result of the Green Revolution, the energy input into the
process (that is, the energy that must be expended to produce a crop) has also increased at a
greater rate, so that the ratio of crops produced to energy input has decreased over time. Green
Revolution techniques also heavily rely on chemical fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides, some of
which must be developed from fossil fuels, making agriculture increasingly reliant on petroleum
products."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megacities
In 1800 only 3% of the world's population lived in cities. By the 20th century's close, 47% did so.
In 1950, there were 83 cities with populations exceeding one million; but by 2007, this had risen to
468

The increase will be most dramatic in the poorest and least-urbanised continents, Asia and Africa.
Surveys and projections indicate that all urban growth over the next 25 years will be in developing
countries. One billion people, one-sixth of the world's population, now live in shanty towns, which
are seen as "breeding grounds" for social problems such as crime, drug addiction, alcoholism,
poverty and unemployment. In many poor countries overpopulated slums exhibit high rates of disease
due to unsanitary conditions, malnutrition, and lack of basic health care. By 2030, over 2 billion
people in the world will be living in slums. Already over 90% of the urban population of Ethiopia,
Malawi and Uganda, three of the world's most rural countries, live in slums.

Jan Rasmussen

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On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:39:03 +0200, "Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> wrote:

>>> India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With
>>> rice the staple food for 65% of the country's one billion plus people,
>>> much is consumed domestically. The government has announced a total ban on
>>> exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising food prices.
>>
>> Og vi kan så håbe at mange udviklingslande selv får stablet en fornuftig
>> fødevareproduktion på benene,
>
>Hvordan skulle de kunne det, med en olie pris på 100-200$ tønden.
>
>Det er billig olie der har maskeret problemerne ved overpopulation.

Hmmmmm....

Det som fødevareproduktion har mest brug for, er da billig
arbejdskraft.... Og det har de da masser af....

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"S. A. Thomsen" <s_a_thomsen@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:39:03 +0200, "Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> wrote:
>
>>>> India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With
>>>> rice the staple food for 65% of the country's one billion plus people,
>>>> much is consumed domestically. The government has announced a total ban on
>>>> exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising food prices.
>>>
>>> Og vi kan så håbe at mange udviklingslande selv får stablet en fornuftig
>>> fødevareproduktion på benene,
>>
>>Hvordan skulle de kunne det, med en olie pris på 100-200$ tønden.
>>
>>Det er billig olie der har maskeret problemerne ved overpopulation.
>
> Hmmmmm....
>
> Det som fødevareproduktion har mest brug for, er da billig
> arbejdskraft.... Og det har de da masser af....


Kigger man på disse tal, så er det vel begrænset hvor meget
rå arbejdskraft kan erstatte, uden en drastisk nedsættelse af udbyttet.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html
Eating Fossil Fuels:

The Green Revolution increased the energy flow to agriculture by an average
of 50 times the energy input of traditional agriculture. In the most extreme cases,
energy consumption by agriculture has increased 100 fold or more.

In the United States, 400 gallons[1480 liter] of oil equivalents are expended annually to feed
each American (as of data provided in 1994).

Agricultural energy consumption is broken down as follows:
· 31% for the manufacture of inorganic fertilizer
· 19% for the operation of field machinery
· 16% for transportation
· 13% for irrigation
· 08% for raising livestock (not including livestock feed)
· 05% for crop drying
· 05% for pesticide production
· 08% miscellaneous8

Energy costs for packaging, refrigeration, transportation to retail outlets, and household cooking
are not considered in these figures.

To give the reader an idea of the energy intensiveness of modern agriculture,
production of one kilogram of nitrogen for fertilizer requires the energy equivalent
of from 1.4 to 1.8 liters of diesel fuel.

In a very real sense, we are literally eating fossil fuels.
However, due to the laws of thermodynamics, there is not a direct correspondence
between energy inflow and outflow in agriculture. Along the way, there is a marked energy loss.

Between 1945 and 1994, energy input to agriculture increased 4-fold while crop yields only increased
3-fold.

Since then, energy input has continued to increase without a corresponding increase in crop yield.
We have reached the point of marginal returns. Yet, due to soil degradation, increased demands of
pest management and increasing energy costs for irrigation, modern agriculture must continue
increasing
its energy expenditures simply to maintain current crop yields.

The Green Revolution is becoming bankrupt.

Jan Rasmussen

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On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 04:40:22 +0200, "Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> wrote:

>>>>> India is the second largest rice grower in the world behind China. With
>>>>> rice the staple food for 65% of the country's one billion plus people,
>>>>> much is consumed domestically. The government has announced a total ban on
>>>>> exports of non-basmati rice, in a bit to curb rising food prices.
>>>>
>>>> Og vi kan så håbe at mange udviklingslande selv får stablet en fornuftig
>>>> fødevareproduktion på benene,
>>>
>>>Hvordan skulle de kunne det, med en olie pris på 100-200$ tønden.
>>>
>>>Det er billig olie der har maskeret problemerne ved overpopulation.
>>
>> Hmmmmm....
>>
>> Det som fødevareproduktion har mest brug for, er da billig
>> arbejdskraft.... Og det har de da masser af....
>
>
>Kigger man på disse tal, så er det vel begrænset hvor meget
>rå arbejdskraft kan erstatte, uden en drastisk nedsættelse af udbyttet.

Som du kan se længere nede, så er dit link totalt irrelevant...

>http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/100303_eating_oil.html
>Eating Fossil Fuels:
>
>The Green Revolution increased the energy flow to agriculture by an average
>of 50 times the energy input of traditional agriculture. In the most extreme cases,
>energy consumption by agriculture has increased 100 fold or more.
>
>In the United States, 400 gallons[1480 liter] of oil equivalents are expended annually to feed
>each American (as of data provided in 1994).

Hvad kommer USA, sagen ved...???

>Agricultural energy consumption is broken down as follows:
>· 31% for the manufacture of inorganic fertilizer

Det kan da erstattes af et større dyrkningsareal, med dertil hørende
øget brug for arbejdskraft...

>· 19% for the operation of field machinery

Hvad skal man bruge landbrugsmaskiner til..??? De klarer sig da fint
uden i f.eks. Indien og Kina (de bruger f.eks. okser)...

>· 16% for transportation

Kan foregå på oksekærre (så kan man også spise okserne, når de er
slidt ned)...

>· 13% for irrigation

Kan også laves med håndkraft...

>· 08% for raising livestock (not including livestock feed)
>· 05% for crop drying
>· 05% for pesticide production
>· 08% miscellaneous8
>
>Energy costs for packaging, refrigeration, transportation to retail outlets, and household cooking
>are not considered in these figures.
>
>To give the reader an idea of the energy intensiveness of modern agriculture,

Aha.... MODERN agriculture....

>production of one kilogram of nitrogen for fertilizer requires the energy equivalent
>of from 1.4 to 1.8 liters of diesel fuel.

<snip resten>

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"Jan Rasmussen" <1@1.1> skrev i en meddelelse news:47f614dd$0$15884> Ted
Turner: Global warming could lead to cannibalism

> Turner called the Iraqi insurgents "patriots" who "don't like us because
> we invaded their country and occupied it. Nobody likes to be invaded."

Ted Turner is said to have started CNN - how is it possible that such
skills are found i a man chich writes so stupid as this
cannibalism -article?

Tadpoles cannibalise when too many - most other animals have inhibitions
against eating their own kind

When humans are too many, epidemics happen
Black Death plague was result of such overpolation.

We produce too much food but the poor do not have money to buy.
We could produce ten times as much food if China-made and Japan-made
mini-tractors were used to make farms on all fertile land even at slopes.
Green revolution farming methods have trippled output of food in many
countries

Even if global warming was true and made sea rise a meter, we could produce
enough food and overpopulation is only a problem in countries like Sudan
where Moslem leaders stop them from family planning
They kill each other - as they did in Irak before we helped them by invasion

People dont mind being invaded when invader is human like the USA, Saddam
was as bad as most Moslem dictators, i.e. terrible

Invasion is hated by romantic patriots like some few Danes 1940-45 and in
Palaestine the shepherds owned by feudal masters in Ankara did not care
about the upper class suddenly being Israeli and close, suddenly , recently.
- until propaganda made them romantic and patriotic.

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"Michael Laudahn eOpposition" <ch8051zh@yahoo.com.pc> skrev i en meddelelse
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>
> Interessant nok også for naboerne. Eller ville du selv spise dem?


Mennesket er nok det mest u-effektive slagtedyr der findes.
Kanibalisme har kun været nødløsning der holdt skurke i live i kort tid, for
at opfodre et menneske så der er rimelig med kød på det tager mange år.
Svin og især kyllinger er der mere bæredygtighed i